Delta, Flying Blue, Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture: Comparison Chart Of Miles Needed From NYC To London, Paris, And Tel Aviv

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Earlier this year Delta, Flying Blue (Air France/KLM), and Virgin Atlantic launched a Transatlantic joint venture.

As of today you can use miles from all 3 programs on on each other, but mileage rates and taxes vary wildly.

Searching can also be tricky. For example you can only book Virgin Atlantic flights from JFK to Tel Aviv when using the Air France app as their flights aren’t showing up on their website.

I’ve searched for one-way award rates from JFK to London, Paris and Tel Aviv on many dates using the miles of all 3 programs to create the comparison chart below.

If I couldn’t find any rates on multiple dates or if a class of service isn’t operated on a route, then I wrote N/A. If you can find dates with availability for any of the N/A options please post a comment!

One-Way RouteDelta milesVirgin Atlantic MilesFlying Blue Miles
JFK to London nonstop on DeltaCoach: 96K+$5.60
Premium: 210K+$5.60
Business: 320K+$5.60
Coach: 10K+$89.50
Premium: N/A
Business: 47.5K+$674.50
Coach: 23.5K+$10.10
Premium: N/A
Business: 59.5K+$10.10
JFK to London nonstop on Virgin Coach: 25K+$5.60
Premium: 55K+$5.60
Business: 86K+$5.60
Coach: 10K+$149.50
Premium: 17.5K+$274.50
Business: 47.5K+$674.50
Coach: 23.5K+$64.68
Premium: N/A
Business: 59.5K+$206.57
JFK to Paris nonstop on DeltaCoach: 40K+$5.60
Premium: N/A
Business: 80K+$5.60
Coach: 30K+$5.60
Premium: N/A
Business: 50K+$5.60
Coach: 25K+$10.10
Premium: N/A
Business: 62K+$10.10
JFK to Paris nonstop on Flying BlueCoach: 40K+$5.60
Premium: N/A
Business: 75K+$5.60
Coach: 12K+$153.80
Premium: 34K+$153.80
Business: 58.5K+$283.20
Coach: 22K+$64.68
Premium: 45.5K+$130.17
Business: 57.5K+$206.57
JFK to Tel Aviv nonstop on DeltaCoach: 160K+$5.60
Premium: N/A
Business: 415K+$5.60
Coach: 40K+$5.60
Premium: N/A
Business: N/A
Coach: 29K+$10.10
Premium: N/A
Business: N/A
JFK to Tel Aviv on VirginCoach: 37.5K+$45.50
Premium: N/A
Business: 85K+$45.50
Coach: 19K+$239.40
Premium: 33.5K+$314.40
Business: 75.5K+$477.40
Coach: 29K+$105
Premium: N/A
Business: 72K+$247
JFK to Tel Aviv on Flying BlueCoach: 37.5K+$31.80
Premium: N/A
Business: N/A
Coach: 20K+$151.60
Premium: 40K+$151.60
Business: N/A
Coach: 25K+$90.90
Premium: 42.5K+$156.39
Business: 53K+$232.79

Will you book any of these awards?

Need more points?

  • You can transfer AMEX points to Delta at a 1:1 ratio, or Marriott points to Delta at a 60K:25K ratio. You can also earn 100K miles with Delta AMEX Limited Time Offers.
  • You can transfer AMEX, Chase, Or Citi points to Flying Blue at a 1:1 ratio, Barclays points at a 1.4:1 ratio, Capital One points at a 2:1.5 ratio, or Marriott points to Flying Blue at a 60K:25K ratio.
  • You can transfer AMEX, Chase, Or Citi points to Virgin Atlantic at a 1:1 ratio, or Marriott points to Virgin Atlantic at a 60K:25K ratio.

Chase premium cards with transferable points:

  • Chase Sapphire Preferred
    • $95 annual fee, 60K points signup bonus, earn 2 points per dollar on dining/travel, 25% bonus value on using points for paid travel redemptions.
  • Chase Ink Business Preferred
    • $95 annual fee, 80K points signup bonus, earn 3 points per dollar on select business spending and travel, 25% bonus value on using points for paid travel redemptions.
  • Chase Sapphire Reserve
    • $550 annual fee, $300 in annual travel credit, $60 in annual Doordash credit, Doordash DashPass membership, Lyft Pink membership, 50K points signup bonus, earn 3 points per dollar on dining/travel, earn 10 points per dollar on Lyft, 50% bonus value on using points for paid travel redemptions, Global Entry/Pre-check, Priority Pass lounge access.

Chase no annual fee cards with transferable points if you, a spouse, or an additional user have one of the premium cards above:

AMEX cards with transferable Membership Rewards points include:

  • AMEX Blue Business Plus
    • No annual fee, earns 2 points per dollar spent everywhere on up to $50K in annual spending. Rates and fees.
  • AMEX Platinum Business
    • $595 annual fee, earn 1.5 points per dollar on eligible $5K+ transactions, $200 in annual airline fee credits, $200 in annual Dell credits, 1 year WeWork Global Office Space, Marriott and Hilton Gold status, 35% points rebate on paid airfare redemptions, Global Entry/Pre-check, AMEX Global lounge collection access. Rates and fees.
  • AMEX Gold Business Card
    • $295 annual fee, 25% points rebate on paid airfare redemptions, earn 4 points per dollar on your most common spending categories each billing cycle. Rates and fees.
  • AMEX Gold Consumer Card
    • $250 annual fee, $100 in annual airline fee credits, earn up to 4 points per dollar.
  • AMEX Green Consumer Card
    • $150 annual fee, $100 in annual CLEAR credit, earn up to 3 points per dollar.
  • AMEX Platinum Consumer Card
    • $550 annual fee, earn 5 points per dollar on airfare, $200 in annual airline fee credits, up to $200 in annual Uber credit, up to $100 in annual Saks credit, Marriott and Hilton Gold status, Global Entry/Pre-check, AMEX Global lounge collection access.
  • AMEX Everyday Preferred Consumer Card
    • $95 annual fee, earn between 1.5-4.5 points per dollar everywhere with 30+ monthly transactions.
  • AMEX Everyday Consumer Card
    • No annual fee, earn between 1.2-2.4 points per dollar everywhere with 20+ monthly transactions.

Barclays doesn’t currently offer any cards to new customers with transferable points. If you have a discontinued Arrival Premier card you can transfer points.

Capital One cards with transferable points include:

Citi cards with transferable points include:

  • The Citi Double Cash card offers 2% cash back or 2 points per dollar spent everywhere that can be transferred into ThankYou points. If you also have a Citi Premier Card you can transfer points into miles or get a 25% added value for paid airfare. No annual fee.
  • The Citi Rewards+ Card offering 15,000 points for spending $1,000 in 3 months. This card can’t transfer points on its own, but can transfer points if you have one of the Citi cards above. This card automatically rounds up rewards earned on every purchase to the nearest 10 points, meaning you earn 10 points on a $0.50 Amazon balance reload. Earn 2 points on $6K in annual spending at supermarkets, 0% intro APR on purchases and balance transfers for 15 months, and a 10% points rebate when you redeem points, up to a 10K points rebate per year. If you also have a Citi Premier Card you can transfer points into miles or get a 25% added value for paid airfare, plus get a 10% points rebate on transferred or redeemed miles. No annual fee.
  • Citi Premier offering 60,000 points for spending $4,000 in 3 months, 3 points per dollar on travel and gas, and 2 points per dollar on dining and entertainment. $95 annual fee.
  • Citi Prestige offering 50,000 points for spending $4,000 in 3 months, 5 points per dollar on airfare and dining, and 3 points per dollar on hotels. $495 annual fee.

Marriott cards with transferable points include:

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Netanya

Are these roundtrip or one way?

E

Very useful post, thank you!
Important to note that for Flying Blue TLV-JFK, the Europe-TLV segment doesn’t have real business class seating, only the middle seat blocked off.

Joe

How is this different than just a typical partner airline booking?
Is this joint venture basically saying that if i have 50k delta miles (as an example) in my account and want to use it towards a award that would cost 100k on delta but only 50k on Flying Blue (for the same flight) that i can use the delta points through flying blue instead (in essence making any points thta you have across all 3 of these programs able to be used in any of them at any time in any combination)?

Shmuel

Is there similar chart for flying from LAX?
Thank you

Abey

Virgin Atlantic award show up for me on mobile website TLV -LHR

Abey

On flying blue website that is

ag

London to jfk flying blue wants 244 dollars in surcharges

Davidthebest

Awesome chart!
Thank you!

Joeegee

Any tips for finding delta flights on flying blue? They don’t ever seem to be there.

Question

I can book a direct flight from JFK to TLV with Delta using 29k Chase/AMEX miles that are transferred to flying blue?? Isn’t that amazingly cheap??

Avi

That’s only if there is saver award available

Virgin

Seems like Virgin wins as the most effective partner to transfer to

jz

cant seem to find the nonstop delta on flying blue site

Sol

I couldn’t find it on Virgin’s site either

Aaron

Dan, I also don’t see any non-stop Delta flights on either Airfrance’s or Virgin’s site.

AZ

I believe you made a mistake with Delta coach to TLV

jack

Why?

AZ

160k one way?

Sol

I believe so too. Its usually around 110k for “Round trip”

Shlomo

Sorry. I’m really confused. How do you search on the Flying Blue website for Virgin Atlantic Flights? It makes you pick Airfrance, KLM or Transvia?

Yoni

I’m trying to book a flight on priceline from Miami to new york but the ticket prices this weekend are crazy. But Priceline is giving me an option to book an “express deal” for only $65 but it wont tell me what airlines. Just says this sunday between 4pm and 12am.

Have u dont this before? Will i be able to cancel?

mf

Dan
on 1/6/21 there is DL in O class for 80k delta miles plus 5.60.
I believe that there is many more dates like this as well.

Jojo

Is the flying blue app the KLM app?

Yitz

What days of the week are the nonstop delta flights? Also I don’t see any virgin Atlantic flights when searching in the flying blue app, on multiple different dates.

Jb

Great post very informative. What i am cl fused about is flying blue. What site do I log into to check availability for flying blue?

How do i cross miles

How do I use my delta miles to book a virgin or flying blue flight?

D

Can i use virgin Atlantic miles to book air France flights ?

D

….air france flight between lax and ppt

D

On virgin Atlantic website ppt doesn’t come up at all

wiz23

nice! found direct delta one way jfk-tlv 72,000 blue miles plus $10

wiz23

are the transfers instant?

Asks

to book Delta TLV-JFK that’s 160k+44.11 using Flying Blue instead, it has to show on the Flying Blue website, or can you call it in?

robertw

Nice comparison work there.

m218

is there anything from Tlv-jfk? April 1?

wiz23

nothing worth taking. 89k business plus $280

Aaron

@Dan, how do I book Delta non-stop from JFK to TLV using Flying Blue miles? I can not find the DL non-stop flights on the Air France app or website.

Jyj

If one only has a Freedom card, can one transfer the Ultimate points to a friend who has a Sapphire card, and have the friend transfer the points to Flying Blue? Does Chase allow transferring to a friend? Also, is it worth transferring even considering the fuel surcharge, rather then booking via the Chase portal? (Am posting this too to a similar thread.) Or, is it wise to your card a friend who also holds a Sapphire card, and can you remove the user after transferring? I’m new to all these, so forgive if something doesn’t make sense here.

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