Update, 6/22: Sadly, the BBC reports that dive expert David Mearns confirmed that a debris field which includes a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible, was found. A US Coast Guard press conference to discuss the findings is scheduled for 3pm ET.
It appears that the sub must have imploded, which was considered a very unlikely outcome by now deceased CEO Stockton Rush. He said that what kept him up at night would be something like a fishing net blocking the sub from surfacing.
Onboard the ship was:
- Stockton Rush, the 61 year old founder and CEO of OceanGate.
- Hamish Harding, a 58 year old British billionaire businessman that has gone into space with Blue Origin and has set 3 world records in the air and underseas.
- Shahzada Dawood, a 48 year old Pakistani/British billionaire businessman from one of Pakistan’s wealthiest families.
- Suleman Dawood, 19 year old son of Shahzada.
- Paul-Henri Nargeolet, a 77 year old French maritime expert who has been on over 3 dozen dives to the Titanic and director of RMS Titanic Inc, owner of the Titanic’s salvage rights.
Mr. Rush’s wife is the great granddaughter of Macy’s co-owner Isidor Straus, who perished with his wife on the Titanic 111 years ago. Ida Straus refused to board a lifeboat, which only had space for women and children, and stayed by her husband’s side as the Titanic sank.
It’s sadly ironic that a vessel designed to explore the Titanic, a boat that failed to carry enough lifeboats because its owners thought it to be invulnerable, would consider itself to be invulnerable. It’s an attitude that was also found in the CBS interview.
Infamous Words from the OceanGate CEO of #Titan regarding the #TitanicRescue of the #titanicsubmarine pic.twitter.com/edO4BkHmDG
— Wildtron (@Wildtron2) June 22, 2023
What are your takeaways from this sad exploration saga?
Originally posted on 6/21:
Previous coverage:
- The Missing Titanic Submersible Was Operated By A $29.99 Video Game Controller?
- Less Than 38 Hours Left For Titan’s Air Supply; The CBS Sunday Morning Report On OceanGate’s Titan Submersible Was A Misleading Puff Piece
With breathable air expected to be exhausted tomorrow morning, can the Titan be rescued before that happens? Another concern is that hypothermia could set in due to the cold even before oxygen runs out.
Things that could have gone wrong include a leak or fire, which likely would have been fatal, or getting caught on something like a fishing net or even the Titanic, that would mean the submersible wouldn’t be able to surface.
This much we know, the ship itself was inherently unsafe and should have never been making these expeditions. But did its passengers know that?
As somebody that deals with the Titanic Historical Society and have many friends that deal with the wreck, I will simply say this: There is a lot of information that has not been released in regards to safety protocol. It’s not good information. The individuals that are…
— Netanel Worthy – נתנאל וורתי (@NetanelWorthy) June 21, 2023
Rolling Stone reported that banging was heard from the area where the sub was expected to be. More critically, the banging was heard every 30 minutes.
While banging from other natural sources would be expected to be at variable intervals, the passengers on the ship would know that banging at precise intervals would indicate to searchers that the noises are coming from the sub.
It’s reminiscent of the banging that occurred from Surfside’s Champlain Towers, where survivors banged, hoping to be rescued. The private and Israeli rescue teams weren’t allowed on site to help until after it was too late.
Paul-Henri Nargeolet, the 77-year-old French maritime expert onboard, was actually asked about being stuck on the bottom, and it’s downright eerie to hear him speak about it:
Absolutely insane video, where P.H. Nargeolet is directly asked, what it would be like to die at the Titanic wreckage!!!! @lookner a must watch! #OceanGate #Titan pic.twitter.com/3DcmYiqp6F
— Tony (@Hobofett360) June 21, 2023
It’s disappointing to read about the difficulties that the private sector has encountered from the government failing to utilize the resources that the military appears to lack:
Message from President Richard Garriott Regarding the Ongoing Titanic Search and Rescue Mission pic.twitter.com/ec7YX5VQCY
— ExplorersClub (@ExplorersClub) June 21, 2023
And while it appears that may have finally been rectified, I sure hope it isn’t too little and too late.
As someone who has been to 7 continents and loves a good adventure, this episode has been quite sobering. It certainly puts seeking thrilling experiences and life into perspective. Let’s continue to pray that the ship and passengers are located swiftly and safely.
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Imagine if they were swallowed by a large fish.
None of the passengers are named Jonah
Are there even fishes big enough to swallow them?
It seems like from this article that one place they have not yet searched is the titanic?
Also what does it mean that they hear banging? The walls are extremely thick I feel like banging wouldn’t really make noise on the ocean floor.
Also, even if they find the ship, how long does it take for them to get it to the surface for them to open it? Isnt this like 2 or three miles down, and they have to have equipment that can bring up the ship once they find it.
Just thoughts I had reading this
it takes 8 hours for the ship to resurface
I’m profoundly sorry for them 5, but I would not currently spend 20 dollars for the chance to win all their combined net worth, on the chance they survive!
Over 2 miles straight down, there aren’t even pingers on that piece of &#$! those jerks dropped the killer machine down to a watery grave. 5 more good men die at the same spot as so many similar folks all those Titanic years ago. Lord
Enough with the oxygen. They may hypothetically have enough oxygen to get them to September. The issue is that they likely have no food or water, even with the consideration of rationing 16 ounces of water since Sunday.
Food is not a major consideration – they should be able to go for a month without food. Water may start to be at this point – but they most likely have a few more days on that front. Their biggest issue is actually hypothermia.
Lack of oxygen would be a quicker death than starvation. From a rescue perspective that’s the most important element when calculating hope for survivors.
The 96 hours of air is based on all 5 remaining alive and consuming oxygen. What if 1 or 2 of them sacrificed themselves early on, in order to extend the prospects of survival of the other 3 (I’m thinking of the father and the CEO)?
Maybe just the ceo cause ya know die free rather than libe in jail….
headlines halacha next week topic, and the answer NO in halacha you are not allowed to give yourself up on the chance that by buying more time for your son who is 60 years younger then you youll be rescued
Actually it’s a machlokes in gemara… about 2 ppl being stuck in a desert with 2 days to reach water but carrying enough water for 2 days for 1 person OR 1 day for 2 ppl do we say both should drink on day 1 and perish day 2 or 1 drinks on day 1 allowing the other to perish but at least one will survive
Carbon monixed from decay will absorb more oxygen
I was thinking the same.
As of Wednesday night I hope the men died instantly and painlessly. Suppose that they are found alive. They would likely have severe PTSD and would require psychotherapy for the remainder of their lives. Unfortunately some may take their own lives rather than choose to live with the PTSD from this horrific experience of 4 days of solitary confinement in pitch darkness, with no food or water, and limited breathing oxygen. My condolences
I don’t know. I think anyone would take a chance of dealing with the possible PTSD, if it meant you may just survive.
I’m thinking of the father of the 19 year-old. His staying alive just diminishes the chance his son survives.
the expert diver is the oldest person there he would be the one to realize the banging not the ceo he probably never disciplined himself to learn thru the safety protocols of diving and boating he is arrogant the ceo of this website should take a lesson not be scared to do anymore adventures rather be humbled
There’s a billionaire down there that would give all his wealth to swap places with any of you.
Whoa that gave me goosebumps
Good Point!!
“As someone who has been to 7 continents”
I halfway expect that sentence to end with and plan to go to three more within the next year.
I know, too soon. I’ll let myself out the door.
I don’t get it.
Not everything the news is telling the public is true. I think by now that is obvious. Apply it here too.
Champlain Towers & Uvalde.
Both tragedies exacerbated by political interference with little thought put forward to the potential and actual victims.
Permission slips and red tape in place of survivors and heroes.
I truly hope the offering organizations just jump in and do what they know how to do.
ממש ממש חבל.
Wishing all parties involved a speedy and safe journey home.
How fast does it go and If it could crash in to some thing would it brake
I do not want to watch the goodbye videos they recorded on their phones whenever they finally locate and haul up that thing. Shudder.
Is there some sort of black box in there, if it’s ever found?
This story is captivating but really hope it ends well and they are found soon. It’s also amazing to see how much resources are being utilized and how quickly governments are working to locate the Titan.
The amount of attention given to this is ridiculous. The notion that a small company could construct a vehicle with the level of reliability needed for deep ocean dives is ridiculous. This is the natural and predictable outcome of a patently bad idea.
Human beings are always naturally interested in dramatic adventure stories.
And the Deepsea Challenger that went to the bottom of the Challenger Deep was built by whom, exactly?
The idea of deep-sea tourism itself isn’t bad – definitely not any worse than space tourism, even if in many ways it’s actually far more challenging. (The extreme pressure at depth is harder to deal with than putting someone into space.)
Unlike what Dan said, I think the physical ship itself seems safe enough (it went down to the Titanic several times and made it back). The real issue is that the safety and communications systems were not done properly. There seems to have been a flippant attitude to basic safety protocols such as HAVING AN EMERGENCY BEACON! People have them built into diving suits, for gosh sakes! Also, the Treiste in 1960 was able to communicate from the bottom of the Challenger Deep – the Titan doesn’t even have built-in communications ability. Etc., etc.
Of course, all of this is conjecture until they actually find the thing. Maybe it did implode.
If the ship keeps getting lost and losing comms, it seems inherently unsafe.
Especially with no escape hatch should it be able to surface. The lack of a beacon just shows on the Titanic level arrogance of those involved.
but what is this diffrent than any spaceship flying into space, we all know many of them were exploded into the atmospfere etc. , and were heroes,
anyone can take any risk he wants, without any industrial guideline, they signed the paper accepting the risk, just like the astronauts, most of the time its sucsesful , sometimes it fails, (i can be cynical and compare it to monetary investments, anyone can invest at his own discretion,many are sucsessfull many fail )
obviously its not the Torahs prepective, which values life more than anything.
The physical ship seems safe enough (i.e. it can make the dive without worrying about implosion), but the arrogance around safety/communications seems to be the real issue.
The lack of an escape hatch does kind of make sense – it’s not exactly useful below 600 feet, and above that it shouldn’t be an issue because they can always be located via the beacon. Oh, wait….
Arrogance is definitely the word.
Well, I take back what I said, I guess the ship was not safe enough. One would think sonar would have caught the implosion.
This didn’t age too well.
Occam’s razor!
Are you all ready for Netflix to turn this into a movie in about 18 months from now? #NoSarcasm
No!
Hollywood producers are more upset about the fact that they can’t make a movie than anything else.
I wouldn’t want to be the spouse who has to call all of the upcoming medical and dental providers to cancel those appointments because “my husband is deceased several miles under the surface of the sea”.
Yes, that is the problem here… all those pesky appointments to cancel.
Grow up!
this is theoretically not any more dangerous than other trips people take
Think guy over 60 travels to maldives and suffers heart attack while on private island DEAD
Cruise to antarctica suffers medical or damage to boat
it is easy to lokk back and say which crazy person woukld go there
i bet if it was available for miles anybody would go
It’s certainly more dangerous, though humans aren’t great at assessing risk.
If it was available for miles, I’m sure a lot of us would have looked into it and gone.
Basically, a “good deal” (“If it was available for miles”) is even more likely to blind us from assessing safety risk — as well as compromises ethical principles.
I have a suggestion if you haven’t already done this. Consider making for yourself a guide of what kind of risks you’re ok with and not ok with in the future. Do this now while you are impartial, as opposed to when something “exciting” comes up and you’ll probably lose your ability to properly assess the risks. I’ll bet whatever you would come up with would serve as a great guide for many other people as well.
Hatzlacha!
Not quite the same. Everything in life is a risk vs benefit decision. Going to Antartica or Private Island isn’t in of itself a dangerous thing to do just that if CV something happens its much harder to get the proper help…. People don’t live outside the hospital just in case they have a medical emergency, you need to go about normal life…. Going in a cheap capsule down to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean being controlled by a 30$ control head is practically a suicide mission. See the difference by any chance?
You didn’t know it was controlled by $30 control head until it went missing
that’s my point
A. You and I didn’t know but I’m sure the passengers did
B. The actual trip was dangerous besides for the possibility of also being able to have a heart attack while under the water
So you see it’s double the danger..
Can someone explain why this became the responsibility of the US taxpayer? A few non-American businessman deciding to do something inherently dangerous in international waters shouldn’t be something that the US has to shell out hundreds of thousands to deal with. This can’t be compared to Surfside, where a building full of innocent US citizens fell down in an American city.
It’s a US company and US owner.
Maybe because life is life.. thats the simple answer. If you know someone is down there basically trapped with a limited amount of time before they are lost, wouldn’t you want to try and rescue them? This is also a huge attention grabber if anyone is able to rescue them it will be in the history books. Maybe the amount of wealth the people on board are worth there’s a reward to be had if rescued. and from an opposite perspective, if there was a way to be rescued wouldn’t you want to be rescued instead of just left to die because it costed too much money?
Tell that to all those suffering from life-threatening diseases without Medicaid.
Exactly.
Even with Medicaid – Medicaid pays little in Fl! Whereas in NY it’s possible to get 24/7 line in home attendant, in Fl you must go to Medicaid facility – death sentence!
No one is Jewish on this expedition, but what if there was a married Jewish man stuck in this submarine. It’s a great question to understand if/when his wife can remarry.
look up the israeli submarine Dakkar and what R’ Ovadia Yosef paskened after the ship went down.
Thanks!
Interesting, usually by every major catastrophe, there is an Israeli there…
Sad
Stockton Rush said he didn’t hire ’50-year-old white guys’
1 day ago — Titanic tour CEO Stockton Rush said he didn’t hire ’50-year-old white guys’ because they were NOT ‘inspirational.
Nu
Yoy see Affirmative action results
When ceos cut corners to maximize profits that’s wokeness
Jewish companies do the same thing all the time!!!
Does this vessel have some sort of black box etc?
Maybe a Xbox
Not even…. Just the controller.
What a sad outcome :(. What a crazy story… and what irresponsible behavior on the parts of some people….
@dan i love your news articles, your very clear and stick to the facts, i think you should start posting more news posts (of course besides for the deals you post)
agree!!..
I agree, I love how you write such clear details, maybe you open a new site DansNews
Does anyone expect to figure out where the “banging every 30 minute” sounds were coming from?
The article I read said they believed it was coming from within the aircraft itself
Thank you. I guess that would be analogous to trying to take one’s pulse using a thumb, which has its own pulse, although in this case, it would be impossible to avoid using a machine and vehicle that was absolutely silent in order to sense distant, faint sounds.
Just goes to show that billions can’t buy intelligence and vigilance. You need to use common sense and research. With so much coming out about safety concerns it is mind boggling how folks with multiple 24/7 body guards and huge staff went on this expedition. Must have been their time and it goes to show that G-d directs the show.
You hit the nail on the head. Hindsight is 20/20.
No, the biggest irony is that Titanic was named the same as a book that foreshadowed the sinking of an unsinkable ship (The Wreck of the Titan or Futility by Morgan Robertson), and these geniuses decided to tempt fate again a century later by naming the sub Titan.
Maybe some genius will name an exporatory sub Titan in a century and that one will sink too.
Like the name is what caused it to go down. Riiiiight.
https://www.countryliving.com/life/a42195/titanic-sinking/
“Your dream of being able to see the Titanic up close and personal is coming true. A London-based travel company has announced they are launching eight-day trips which will take travelers down 13,000 feet to see the wreckage of the famous ship.
Starting in 2018, Blue Marble Private will take nine clients at a time on the journey, which will begin in Newfoundland, Canada. The trip is slated to begin on a helicopter or seaplane from Newfoundland to a yacht docked somewhere above the wreck, according to The Daily Telegraph. From there, if weather allows, you’ll get onto a submarine which will begin the trip down into the ocean.
“Reaching depths of [13,000 feet] in a specially designed titanium and carbon fibre submersible, guided by a crew of experts, you will glide over the ship’s deck and famous grand staircase capturing a view that very few have seen, or ever will,” the company advertises.
Dives will take place throughout the day and night and guests will participate by using the undersea navigation system and helping with underwater communication, according to The Telegraph. After the dive, there will be lectures, discussions and mission updates.
This will be the first time since 2005 that it will be possible for the public to dive the site.
To land yourself a ticket on this dream trip, be prepared to pay $105,129, which, as the paper points out, is the equivalent to the $4,350 a first-class passenger would have paid to go on the Titanic’s 1912 maiden voyage — adjusted for inflation.
Hopefully these trips will have a happier ending.”
Sad ending. but i bet there is much that will not ever be revealed. how did they locate that tiny area in a vast ocean? the other Q is how was it found so fast? the USN had/has listening stations throughout the Atlantic that date back to the Cold War era and the need to track Soviet nuclear missile carrying submarines. i bet they detected the implosion and triangulated the location. that’s how the USS Scorpion was found after its disastrous sinking. all the methods r classified so don’t expect any details unless Joe opens his mouth like he did about the China spy balloon
@Dan, I love how you write such clear details, maybe you open a new site DansNews
+1
Dan, appreciate the reporting but would much rather be kept up to date with deals/miles such as new Qatar avios redemption rates which weren’t covered
I tried searching for AA award flights online and came up with nothing. Did you have any luck?
If it turns out that they were dead from the beginning, did they ever explain in the end what was the “banging” that they heard “every 30 minutes”?
We should ask CBS. They are fit to tell us the truth
Maybe it was from people of the Titanic, Maybe they’re still alive Lol
“משה ותורתו אמת והן בדאין”
Looks like the Navy already new days ago.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12
Hard to think of a better way to undermine institutional credibility than to spend days pretending that a submersible may be at the bottom of the ocean and that the entire world should hold its breath, while knowing for days the thing imploded.
—Ben Shapiro
Ben, hold my beer.
—Joe Biden
Yup this is how it works. You claim that your vessel is invulnerable, you end up with the Titanic. @ Stockton Rush sorry you ended up this way, but maby next time believe in Hashem……….
Catastrophic Implosion of a submersible explained:
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour – that’s 2,200 feet per second.
The time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond.
A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds.
The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors.
When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine.
The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Info Source: Dave Corley, former Nuke sub officer
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i was looking for these books everywhere!!!! couldn’t remember name but these were these best children books ever…Thanks
They came out with the next book in the series not too long ago.
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I believe your original post about Pouge’s story must have reached someone. I heard him this morning revisiting his original story. (880 @ 9 AM EST).
On Wednesday, the US Coast Guard revealed that “presumed human remains” were discovered amidst the debris and evidence recovered from the seafloor where the ill-fated Titan submersible’s remnants were located.
In a news release, the Coast Guard stated that the remains were found “within the wreckage” of the submersible. This announcement came almost a week after authorities determined that the submarine, en route to the Titanic, had suffered an implosion in the North Atlantic, resulting in the tragic deaths of all five crew members.
The military branch mentioned that the presumed remains would be analyzed by US medical professionals. Additionally, the evidence retrieved from the submersible arrived at a Canadian pier on Wednesday.
Pelagic Research Services, the company that owns the remotely operated vehicles responsible for bringing Titan’s remains to the surface, reported to CNN that they had “successfully completed” the offshore operations for now.
Photographs taken by Paul Daly of The Canadian Press depicted a white panel-like piece, taller than the two individuals assisting with its transport, as well as another similarly sized component adorned with cords and wires, covered in white tarp. These debris items were unloaded from the anchor handling vessel Horizon Arctic at the Canadian Coast Guard pier in St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador.