Roundup Of Qantas Program Devaluations And Improvements; Updated Comparison Award Chart For Travel On El Al To Israel

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For years I ignored the Qantas frequent flyer program. It was overpriced in both miles and fuel surcharges and didn’t have good transfer options.

In recent times though they have aggressively added transfer options as AMEX, Barclays, Capital One, Citi, and Marriott can all transfer points to Qantas. They also added the ability to book El Al awards, which have good availability, but have been tied to the poorly managed and very overpriced Matmid program.

The Australian Business Traveler has a rundown of Qantas program changes.

In short:

  • Qantas has added new partners in Air New Zealand, China Airlines, Bangkok Airways, and Air France/KLM Flying Blue, though some of those are restricted to select routes.
  • They are also lowering fuel surcharges on their own flights starting on 9/18.
  • They have released new Qantas and partner award charts here.
  • Economy prices have been lowered effective immediately.
  • Premium, business, and first class prices will go up starting on 9/18. They justify the increases with the reduced fuel surcharges, but as they never collected fuel surcharges on El Al there is only a devaluation at hand.
  • Qantas is also adding additional award space on their own metal. The best way to book awards for Qantas flights is actually with Alaska miles, followed by American miles and hopefully that additional award space will be available to those programs as well.
  • Qantas is adding a lifetime Platinum level.
  • The coolest addition is that in December Qantas will start a points club that will be awarding elite-style benefit program for people that earn at least 150K miles from non-flying earnings and there will be higher tiers in this program as well. Let’s hope this starts a trend among other airlines!

On the one hand, some of these devaluations make it pretty pricey for awards. On the one hand I’m just happy that they still have award charts. The trend these days is to get rid of award charts and switch to dynamic pricing and things certainly could have been much worse.

Luckily, the 44% (or more!) stacking transfer bonus from AMEX to Qantas is still working! Now that we know Qantas’ plans you can make an educated decision about whether to transfer points for El Al travel.

You can read this post for all about the Qantas program and redeeming on El Al.

Here is a look at what is changing.

Here is the old Qantas partner award chart:

 

Here is the interim Qantas partner award chart with the reduced economy prices:

 

Here is the future Qantas partner award chart effective 9/18 with the increased premium cabin pricing:

 

Sample destinations to/from Tel Aviv:

  • Zone 1: Larnaca
  • Zone 2: Athens, Sofia
  • Zone 3: London, Madrid, Moscow, Paris, Venice, Warsaw, Zurich
  • Zone 4: Mumbai
  • Zone 5: Bangkok, Beijing, Johannesburg
  • Zone 6: Boston, Hong Kong, JFK, Newark, Toronto, Tokyo
  • Zone 7: Chicago, Miami
  • Zone 8: Los Angeles, San Francisco

Here is a comparison for how many points you’ll need with Qantas (regularly or during a transfer promo period) or with El Al Matmid.

There are 2 of these charts below. Chart #1 is the old chart, which is valid for the current pricing on premium economy and business class awards. This chart has the old higher pricing for economy, which is no longer applicable.

Chart #2 is the new chart, which is valid for the current pricing in economy and will be valid for future pricing on premium economy and business class awards starting on 9/18.

In other words, if you want to book round-trip travel from NYC to Tel Aviv before 9/18 for travel anytime in the next year, you’ll need 75.6K Qantas points in economy, 126K in premium economy, or 156K in business.

If you transfer points from AMEX with a 44% bonus that means you’ll need about 52.5K points in economy, 87.5K points in premium economy, or 108,333 points in business class. If you need a one-way ticket now you’ll need 26,250 points in economy, 43,750 points for premium economy, or 54,167 points for business class.

If you want to book round-trip travel from NYC to Tel Aviv as of 9/18, you’ll need 75.6K Qantas points in economy, 141.6K in premium economy, or 180K in business. That’s a 10% decrease from previous economy rates, a 12.4% increase in premium economy, and an 11.5% increase in business class.

If you transfer points from AMEX with a 44% bonus now and want to hold that for future use, you’ll need to transfer about 52.5K points in economy, 98,333 points in premium economy, or 125K points in business class. If you need a one-way ticket for future use you’ll need to transfer about 26,250 points in economy, 49,167 points for premium economy, or 62.5K points during the current promo for business class.

  • You will need to round-up to their nearest 500 points for AMEX transfers to Qantas.
  • The chart below includes rates for round-trip travel, though both programs allow for one-way travel at half of the round-trip rate.

 

Chart #1:

Flying between Tel Aviv and:AMEX/Citi points transferred to Qantas at a 1:1 ratio for a round-trip on El Al::::::::::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to Qantas with a 20% bonus for a round-trip on El Al:::::::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to Qantas with a 44% bonus for a round-trip on El Al:::::::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to El Al points for a round-trip for Executives on El Al, with fuel surcharges:::::::::::::::
NYC winter84K Economy+$57
126K Premium+$57
156K Business+$57
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
80K+$300 Economy
140K+$200 Premium
255K+$350 Business
NYC summer84K Economy+$57
126K Premium+$57
156K Business+$57
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
88K+$350 Economy
180K+$200 Premium
255K+$350 Business
Boston winter84K Economy+$57
126K Premium+$57
156K Business+$57
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
60K+$350 Economy
140K+$200 Premium
212.5K+$300 Business
Boston summer84K Economy+$57
126K Premium+$57
156K Business+$57
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
88K+$300 Economy
180K+$200 Premium
212.5K+$300 Business
Chicago winter100K Economy+$57
150K Premium+$57
184K Business+$57
83,333 Economy
125K Premium
153,333 Business
69,444 Economy
104,166 Premium
127,777 Business
80K+$350 Economy
184K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Chicago summer100K Economy+$57
150K Premium+$57
184K Business+$57
83,333 Economy
125K Premium
153,333 Business
69,444 Economy
104,166 Premium
127,777 Business
88K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Toronto winter84K Economy+$73
126K Premium+$73
156K Business+$73
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
80K+$270 Economy
140K+$270 Premium
178.5K+$320 Business
Toronto summer84K Economy+$73
126K Premium+$73
156K Business+$73
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
88K+$270 Economy
140K+$170 Premium
178.5K+$320 Business
Miami winter100K Economy+$57
150K Premium+$57
184K Business+$57
83,333 Economy
125K Premium
153,333 Business
69,444 Economy
104,166 Premium
127,777 Business
80K+$350 Economy
184K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Miami summer100K Economy+$57
150K Premium+$57
184K Business+$57
83,333 Economy
125K Premium
153,333 Business
69,444 Economy
104,166 Premium
127,777 Business
88K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Los Angeles winter112K Economy+$57
168K Premium+$57
208K Business+$57
93,333 Economy
140K Premium
173,333 Business
77,777 Economy
116,666 Premium
144,444 Business
100K+$300 Economy
184K+$350 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
Los Angeles summer112K Economy+$57
168K Premium+$57
208K Business+$57
93,333 Economy
140K Premium
173,333 Business
77,777 Economy
116,666 Premium
144,444 Business
112K+$350 Economy
220K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
San Francisco winter112K Economy+$57
168K Premium+$57
208K Business+$57
93,333 Economy
140K Premium
173,333 Business
77,777 Economy
116,666 Premium
144,444 Business
100K+$300 Economy
184K+$350 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
San Francisco summer112K Economy+$57
168K Premium+$57
208K Business+$57
93,333 Economy
140K Premium
173,333 Business
77,777 Economy
116,666 Premium
144,444 Business
112K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
London winter40K Economy+$191
60K Premium+$310
76K Business+$310
33,333 Economy
50K Premium
63,333 Business
27,777 Economy
41,666 Premium
52,777 Business
32K+$270 Economy
48K+$425 Premium
93.5K+$455 Business
London summer40K Economy+$191
60K Premium+$310
76K Business+$310
33,333 Economy
50K Premium
63,333 Business
27,777 Economy
41,666 Premium
52,777 Business
40K+$270 Economy
70K+$310 Premium
93.5K+$455 Business
Johannesburg winter70K Economy+$68
130K Business+$68
58,333 Economy
108,333 Business
48,611 Economy
90,277 Business
60K+$260 Economy
178.5K+$160 Business
Johannesburg summer70K Economy+$68
130K Business+$68
58,333 Economy
108,333 Business
48,611 Economy
90,277 Business
70K+$260 Economy
178.5K+$160 Business
Hong Kong winter84K Economy+$77
126K Premium+$77
156K Business+$79
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
88K+$210 Economy
140K+$210 Premium
212.5K+$210 Business
Hong Kong summer84K Economy+$77
126K Premium+$77
156K Business+$79
70K Economy
105K Premium
130K Business
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
70K+$330 Economy
180K+$180 Premium
212.5K+$330 Business
Bangkok winter70K Economy+$61
105K Premium+$61
130K Business+$61
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
48,611 Economy
72,916 Premium
90,277 Business
60K+$265 Economy
140K+$315 Premium
212.5K+$285 Business
Bangkok summer70K Economy+$61
105K Premium+$61
130K Business+$61
58,333 Economy
87.5K Premium
108,333 Business
48,611 Economy
72,916 Premium
90,277 Business
70K+$315 Economy
180K+$180 Premium
212.5K+$285 Business

 

Chart #2:

Flying between Tel Aviv and:AMEX/Citi points transferred to Qantas at a 1:1 ratio for a round-trip on El Al::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to Qantas with a 20% bonus for a round-trip on El Al:::::::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to Qantas with a 44% bonus for a round-trip on El Al:::::::::::::::::::::AMEX points transferred to El Al points for a round-trip for Executives on El Al, with fuel surcharges:::::::::::::::
NYC winter75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
80K+$300 Economy
140K+$200 Premium
255K+$350 Business
NYC summer75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
88K+$350 Economy
180K+$200 Premium
255K+$350 Business
Boston winter75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
60K+$350 Economy
140K+$200 Premium
212.5K+$300 Business
Boston summer75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
88K+$300 Economy
180K+$200 Premium
212.5K+$300 Business
Chicago winter90K Economy
163.6K Premium
209K Business
75K Economy
136,333 Premium
174,166 Business
62.5K Economy
113,611 Premium
145,138 Business
80K+$350 Economy
184K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Chicago summer90K Economy
163.6K Premium
209K Business
75K Economy
136,333 Premium
174,166 Business
62.5K Economy
113,611 Premium
145,138 Business
88K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Toronto winter75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
80K+$270 Economy
140K+$270 Premium
178.5K+$320 Business
Toronto summer75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
88K+$270 Economy
140K+$170 Premium
178.5K+$320 Business
Miami winter90K Economy
163.6K Premium
209K Business
75K Economy
136,333 Premium
174,166 Business
62.5K Economy
113,611 Premium
145,138 Business
80K+$350 Economy
184K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Miami summer90K Economy
163.6K Premium
209K Business
75K Economy
136,333 Premium
174,166 Business
62.5K Economy
113,611 Premium
145,138 Business
88K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$350 Business
Los Angeles winter100.6K Economy
187K Premium
238.4K Business
83,833 Economy
155,833 Premium
198,666 Business
69,861 Economy
129,861 Premium
165,555 Business
100K+$300 Economy
184K+$350 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
Los Angeles summer100.6K Economy
187K Premium
238.4K Business
83,833 Economy
155,833 Premium
198,666 Business
69,861 Economy
129,861 Premium
165,555 Business
112K+$350 Economy
220K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
San Francisco winter100.6K Economy
187K Premium
238.4K Business
83,833 Economy
155,833 Premium
198,666 Business
69,861 Economy
129,861 Premium
165,555 Business
100K+$300 Economy
184K+$350 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
San Francisco summer100.6K Economy
187K Premium
238.4K Business
83,833 Economy
155,833 Premium
198,666 Business
69,861 Economy
129,861 Premium
165,555 Business
112K+$350 Economy
200K+$300 Premium
297.5K+$450 Business
London winter40K Economy
69K Premium
87.6K Business
33,333 Economy
57.5K Premium
73K Business
27,777 Economy
47,916 Premium
60,833 Business
32K+$270 Economy
48K+$425 Premium
93.5K+$455 Business
London summer40K Economy
69K Premium
87.6K Business
33,333 Economy
57.5K Premium
73K Business
27,777 Economy
47,916 Premium
60,833 Business
40K+$270 Economy
70K+$310 Premium
93.5K+$455 Business
Johannesburg winter60.4K Economy
150K Business
50,333 Economy
125K Business
41,944 Economy
104,166 Business
60K+$260 Economy
178.5K+$160 Business
Johannesburg summer60.4K Economy
150K Business
50,333 Economy
125K Business
41,944 Economy
104,166 Business
70K+$260 Economy
178.5K+$160 Business
Hong Kong winter75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
88K+$210 Economy
140K+$210 Premium
212.5K+$210 Business
Hong Kong summer75.6K Economy
141.6K Premium
180K Business
63K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
52.5K Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
70K+$330 Economy
180K+$180 Premium
212.5K+$330 Business
Bangkok winter60.4K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
50,333 Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
41,944 Economy
81,944 Premium
104,166 Business
60K+$265 Economy
140K+$315 Premium
212.5K+$285 Business
Bangkok summer60.4K Economy
118K Premium
150K Business
50,333 Economy
98,333 Premium
125K Business
41,944 Economy
81,944 Premium
104,166 Business
70K+$315 Economy
180K+$180 Premium
212.5K+$285 Business

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Want to earn Qantas points?

AMEX cards with transferable Membership Rewards points to Qantas include:

  • AMEX Blue Business Plus
  • AMEX Platinum Business
    • $595 annual fee, up to 75K points welcome bonus, earn 1.5 points per dollar on $5K+ transactions, $200 in annual airline fee credits, $200 in annual Dell credits, 1 year WeWork Global Office Space, Marriott and Hilton Gold status, 35% points rebate on paid airfare redemptions, Global Entry/Pre-check, AMEX Global lounge collection access.
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  • AMEX Gold Business Card
    • $295 annual fee, 35K points welcome bonus, 1 year G Suite Basic for 3 users and up to 1 year of ZipRecruiter Standard, earn up to 4 points per dollar.
    • For rates and fees of the AMEX Gold Business Card, please visit here.
  • AMEX Gold Consumer Card
    • $250 annual fee, 40K points welcome bonus, $100 in annual airline fee credits, earn up to 4 points per dollar.
  • AMEX Platinum Consumer Card
    • $550 annual fee, up to 60K points welcome bonus, earn 5 points per dollar on airfare, $200 in annual airline fee credits, up to $200 in annual Uber credit, up to $100 in annual Saks credit, Marriott and Hilton Gold status, Global Entry/Pre-check, AMEX Global lounge collection access.
  • AMEX Everyday Preferred Consumer Card
    • $95 annual fee, up to 20K points welcome bonus, earn between 1.5-4.5 points per dollar everywhere with 30+ monthly transactions.
  • AMEX Everyday Consumer Card
    • No annual fee, up to 15K points welcome bonus, earn between 1.2-2.4 points per dollar everywhere with 20+ monthly transactions.

Barclays doesn’t currently offer any cards to new customers with transferable points. If you have a discontinued Arrival Premier card you can transfer points.

Capital One cards with transferable points to Qantas include:

Citi cards with transferable points to Qantas include:

  • Citi Premier offering 60,000 points for a limited time for spending $4,000 in 3 months, 3 points per dollar on travel and gas, and 2 points per dollar on dining and entertainment. $95 annual fee.
  • Citi Prestige offering 50,000 points for spending $4,000 in 3 months, 5 points per dollar on airfare and dining, and 3 points per dollar on hotels. $495 annual fee.
  • The Citi Rewards+ Card offering 15,000 points for spending $1,000 in 3 months. This card can’t transfer points on its own, but can transfer points if you have one of the Citi cards above. This card automatically rounds up rewards earned on every purchase to the nearest 10 points, meaning you earn 10 points on a $0.50 Amazon balance reload.Earn 2 points on $6K in annual spending at supermarkets, 0% intro APR on purchases and balance transfers for 15 months, and a 10% points rebate when you redeem points, up to a 10K points rebate per year. If you also have a Citi Premier Card you can transfer points into miles or get a 25% added value for paid airfare, plus get a 10% points rebate on transferred or redeemed miles. No annual fee.

Marriott cards with transferable points to Qantas include:

What are your thoughts on the Qantas changes? Will you use El Al or Qantas points to redeem for award travel on El Al?


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HY

Should i book a flight asap with points and pay for possible cancellation or wait 6 months to book

JoeG

Hey Dan! Thanx for the amazing breakdown. I wana go next summer to Israel. I will be ready to book by Feb. You think I should transfer now?

shmuels2

@dan you can add that all routes are now bookable online. #DDeffect?

Yaakov

Not all. BOM – TLV isn’t bookable online.

MoMo

thanks!
what about “earning” miles from Elal to qantas

Ekay

With no plan for future travels is it worth to Transfer 125K and get the 44% bonus or just pay the 180K when I’m ready. Question really is being that things can change in so many ways (from ELAL’s part and qantas) is it worth locking up Amex points in qantas.

Noah32

As a data point I transferred Amex points on Wednesday. Bonus miles posted Thursday but only 20 percent, not 24.

Ymmv? Or now 20 instead of 24?

Noah32

Oops. Never mind. 44 percent effective cumulative bonus.

All good!

me

If you make a ticket now but change dates after the miles go up, will you have to pay the higher prices?
Also, is there a limit on how much of a bonus you can get from both amex & Qantas for the extra bonus miles?
Thanks.

me

Thanks for the info.

dave

but is qantas valauble if i’m not flying to israel? is it worth transferring to use for domestic/international flights e.g. on AA?

Yaakov

There’s no award chart in that link for PG?

Menachem

If i flew qantas am i able to claim mileage with aa?

Please be more clear

Dan do you know what the rates and routes for AF will be? And when will it start?

Michael

The surcharge is being removed only with elal direct flight, not with any other flight to isreal with a stop.

Economy flyer

Am I missing something, to me it seems that economy pricing is lower! From NYC to tlv Instead of 42k u now need only 37.5k, sounds awesome to me!

Yochai

Did you read the post??

R

Given the big difference in mileage and availability between NY and Miami in business class, might be worth getting a NY-TLV ticket through Qantas and then booking a MIA-NY ticket separately.

What airlines nowadays will interline your bags with LY?

Reuven

Thanks. I did the transfer as a trial and I did get the 44%. I’m thinking if getting the round the world fare for 150k. (Which with the bonus is a great deal)

lazertek

is it possible to book one way business and one way economy for the same price

Meir

I see a domestic award flight on aa (with stopover) but not on qantas should I call them ?

Chaim

Hi Dan, Thanks for this amazing update.
I booked 4 award tickets with qantas as one family reservation. I would like to cancel, will i be charged 6k fee once or 4 times for each person?

ira

Dan. How long do you think until ElAl pulls the plug on this.

Isaac

Dan

I cannot figure it out, Is any fees added to the miles with Qantas using ELAL flights?

HappyMom

I’m trying to book award tickets and they’re charging me almost $95/premium economy and $57/economy ticket in fees! Why so high?

Aaron

Transferred miles june 21 and as of now only received amex bonus not Qantas bonus.
How long is it supposed to take?

EliH

Just transfered AMEX point and was given only a 20% bonus

EliH

55,000 AMEX points gave me 66,000 Qantas points

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