[Final Day, Book Now!] Brutal! A Look Into The Marriott #Bonvoyed 2020 Category Changes: 1,686 Going Up, Just 499 Going Down, Plus More Capacity Controls

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Update: Today is the final day to book. Don’t forget to book awards at hotels that are going up in category! Prices may go up at 12AM local time or ET on 3/4!

Where will you book before prices go up?


Originally posted on 2/5:

Marriott 2020 Complete List Of Annual Category Changes 

Read about previous category changes:

Marriott’s race to the bottom continues with no end in site. Oh do I miss SPG.

Then again, Marriott claims that members prefer the dumpster fire known as Bonvoy to the beloved SPG by an 8 to 1 margin...

Most hotels chains reorganize their categories yearly to keep them current with the average rates that they charge.

Then again, Marriott now changes categories throughout the year, so this is just their opportunity to do it en-masse.

This year’s hotel category changes have 1,686 hotels going up in category compared to just 499 going down.

In the US, some 1,291 hotels are going up, compared to just 257 going down.

There will be 28 new top-tier category 8 hotels, and 95 new pricey category 7 hotels. Just 4 category 8 hotels are going down in category and just 9 category 7 hotels are going down.

28 Ritz Carlton hotels will go up in category, and just 1 will go down.

That’s just brutal.

Additionally, Marriott will allow all properties, including pre-merger Starwood properties, to select a limited number of dates per year when they will limit the number of standard rooms that are available for award redemption. I’ve noticed this before at ex-SPG hotels like the S. Regis Bal Harbour, but I guess now it’s official that they can do that.

Marriott claims that pre-merger Marriott properties won’t be able to have as many capacity controlled dates as before.

Why have capacity controls when there’s no peak pricing?

Peak pricing gets more revenue for Marriott on dates they think a hotel may sell out, but that doesn’t affect the payment from Marriott to the individual hotel. A hotel gets paid very little for award stays unless they are nearly sold out for the night. Marriott added peak dates to make up for the additional payment they need to make to the hotel when someone books an award room and the hotel is nearly full for the night.

You can book stays before 3/4 to lock in current rates for future stays at hotels that are going up.  You can book stays up to 350 days in advance. Almost all hotel stays are cancellable for free until a certain amount of time before the stay (read the fine print).  If you have a reservation at a hotel that is going down then just cancel and rebook the stay on 3/4 when this year’s category changes go into effect.

If you have travel packages, you’ll want to reserve hotels for those before categories go up.

Hotels going up from category 5 to 6 will no longer be bookable with anniversary nights from cards like the discontinued Starwood Consumer AMEX, Marriott Bonvoy Business™ American Express® Card, and the Chase Marriott Bonvoy Boundless Consumer Card.

Hotels going up from category 6 to 7 will generally no longer be bookable with anniversary nights from cards like the Marriott Brilliant AMEX and the discontinued Ritz Carlton card. However you can still use these nights at category 7 hotels during off-peak times when they only cost 50K points.

Note that you won’t be able to change the dates on a reservation after the price goes up, your only options are to use the stay or cancel it and get your points back. You can make one night reservations if you’re not sure how many nights you want to stay, though you won’t be able to take advantage of a free night on a 5 night point stay like that.

Unfortunately you can no longer lock in rates with Points Advance if you don’t have enough points to book a stay.

Marriott is doing all it can to prove what I always preach about hybrid points being the way to go. There’s no reason to use their credit card and lock yourself into a currency that constantly being devalued. With this devaluation some people will likely determine that it’s not even worth keeping the card in their sock drawer just to earn an anniversary night that is usable at fewer hotel each year and was devalued by peak nights as well.

Here is what the Marriott award chart looks like, along with values in cents per points for cash+points stays:

Hotel CategoryAward ChartCash + Points Chart..............Pointsavers Chart
Category 15,000 off-peak
7,500 standard
10,000 peak
$55+1,500 (1.57 cpp) off-peak
$55+3,500 (1.38 cpp) standard
$55+4,500 (1 cpp) peak
4,000 off-peak
6,000 standard
8,500 peak
Category 210,000 off-peak
12,500 standard
15,000 peak
$65+4,000 (1.08 cpp) off-peak
$65+6,000 (1 cpp) standard
$65+7,000 (0.81 cpp) peak
8,000 off-peak
11,000 standard
13,000 peak
Category 315,000 off-peak
17,500 standard
20,000 peak
$80+6,000 (0.89 cpp) off-peak
$80+8,500 (0.89 cpp) standard
$80+9,500 (0.76 cpp) peak
12,000 off-peak
16,000 standard
18,000 peak
Category 420,000 off-peak
25,000 standard
30,000 peak
$105+8,000 (0.88 cpp) off-peak
$105+12,000 (0.8 cpp)
$105+15,000 (0.7 cpp) peak
17,500 off-peak
22,500 standard
27,500 peak
Category 530,000 off-peak
35,000 standard
40,000 peak
$140+13,500 (0.85 cpp) off-peak
$140+17,000 (0.78 cpp)
$140+21,000 (0.74 cpp) peak
27,500 off-peak
32,500 standard
37,500 peak
Category 640,000 off-peak
50,000 standard
60,000 peak
$190+19,000 (0.9 cpp) off-peak
$190+25,000 (0.76 cpp)
$190+30,000 (0.63 cpp) peak
35,000 off-peak
45,000 standard
55,000 peak
Category 750,000 off-peak
60,000 standard
70,000 peak
$250+25,000 (1 cpp) off-peak
$250+30,000 (0.83 cpp)
$250+40,000 (0.83 cpp) peak
45,000 off-peak
55,000 standard
65,000 peak
Category 870,000 off-peak
85,000 standard
100,000 peak
$440+27,500 (1.04 cpp) off-peak
$440+42,500 (1.04 cpp)
$440+57,500 (1.04 cpp) peak
65,000 off-peak
80,000 standard
90,000 peak

Highlights:

  • The main highlight is that Marriott still has award charts. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them killed off in the coming years.
  • The Sheraton Miyako Hotel Tokyo is a solid hotel located within walking distance of Chabad of Tokyo. I reviewed it here.
  • The Westin Southfield Detroit is a decent option near kosher restaurants there and drops to a category 3 hotel.
  • Lots of Baltimore hotels will be cheaper.
  • The W Hong Kong goes down from category 8 to 7. It’s a phenomenal hotel in Kowloon with a rooftop pool and an Airport Express station in the basement, so that a bellhop can check your bags all the way from the hotel to your final destination. Then again with Coronavirus, rates at Hong Kong hotels are likely to plummet anyway.

Lowlights:

  • Israel gets hit with the Ritz-Carlton Heraliya, one of my favorite hotels in Israel, climbing from a category 6 to 7, making it ineligible for anniversary nights on the Ritz Carlton or Marriott Brilliant cards.
  • Dozens of Ritz-Carlton hotels across the world are getting more expensive.
  • Many Hawaii hotels are going up in price. Maui is hit hard.
  • Dozens of Manhattan hotels climb from category 5 to 6, making them ineligible for anniversary nights on the base Marriott cards.
  • Hotels in cities like Boston, New Orleans, and Vancouver face big hikes.
  • Lots of Caribbean and Mexican hotels are going up.
  • Many hotels in China go up in category despite rates that are plummeting due to Coronavirus. OK then Marriott.
  • 30 hotels in Spain go up versus just 4 going down.
  • 21 hotels in South Africa go up versus just 2 going down.
  • Several Greece resorts jump to top-tier category 8 pricing.
  • If Machu Picchu is on your bucket list as it is mine, several Cusco hotels will no longer be eligible for anniversary nights.
  • Too many more to mention here 🙁

Sample hotels going up in category:

  • Four Points by Sheraton Cleveland Airport, OH, was 1, now 2
  • Protea Hotel O.R. Tambo Airport, Johannesburg, South Africa, was 1, now 2
  • Sheraton Cleveland Airport Hotel, was 2, now 3
  • SpringHill Suites Detroit Southfield, was 2, now 3
  • Sheraton Pittsburgh Airport Hotel, was 2, now 3
  • Protea Hotel Cape Town Waterfront Breakwater Lodge, South Africa, was 2, now 3
  • Protea Hotel Dar es Salaam Amani Beach, Tanzania, was 2, now 3
  • Sheraton Grand Hotel Wuhan, China, was 2, now 3
  • Courtyard Phoenix Airport, AZ, was 3, now 4
  • Courtyard Newark Airport, NJ, was 3, now 4
  • Courtyard Philadelphia Airport, PA, was 3, now 4
  • JW Marriott Hotel Chengdu, China, was 3, now 4
  • JW Marriott Hotel Shenzhen, China, was 3, now 4
  • Courtyard Prague, Czech Republic, was 3, now 4
  • JW Marriott Absheron Baku, Azerbaijan, was 3, now 4
  • Le Méridien Abu Dhabi, UAE, was 3, now 4
  • Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel, CA, was 4, now 5
  • AC Hotel Chicago Downtown, IL, was 4, now 5
  • Courtyard Pittsburgh Downtown, PA, was 4, now 5
  • Courtyard King Kamehameha’s Kona Beach Hotel, HI, was 4, now 5
  • Fairfield Inn & Suites Anchorage Midtown, AK, was 4, now 5
  • Moxy New Orleans Downtown/French Quarter Area, LA, was 4, now 5
  • Aloft Manhattan Downtown – Financial District, NY, was 4, now 5
  • Costa Rica Marriott Hotel Hacienda Belen, was 4, now 5
  • Four Points by Sheraton Auckland, New Zealand, was 4, now 5
  • Moscow Marriott Grand Hotel, Russia, was 4, now 5
  • W Abu Dhabi – Yas Island, UAE, was 4, now 5
  • W Scottsdale, AZ, was 5, now 6
  • Avalon Hotel Bungalows Palm Springs Design Hotels, CA, was 5, now 6
  • Westin Denver International Airport, CO, was 5, now 6
  • Sheraton Kauai Resort, HI, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard Maui Kahului Airport, HI, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard Oahu North Shore, HI, was 5, now 6
  • Chicago Marriott Downtown Magnificent Mile, IL, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott Chicago, IL, was 5, now 6
  • The Raphael Hotel, Autograph Collection, KS, was 5, now 6
  • Four Points by Sheraton French Quarter New Orleans, LA, was 5, now 6
  • W New Orleans – French Quarter, LA, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard Boston Brookline, MA, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard New York Manhattan/Fifth Avenue, NY, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard New York Manhattan/Times Square West, NY, was 5, now 6
  • Fairfield Inn & Suites New York Manhattan/Central Park, NY, was 5, now 6
  • Four Points by Sheraton Manhattan Midtown West, NY, was 5, now 6
  • Moxy NYC Times Square, NY, was 5, now 6
  • Ritz-Carlton, Cleveland, OH, was 5, now 6
  • Philadelphia Marriott Downtown, PA, was 5, now 6
  • Westin Austin Downtown, TX, was 5, now 6
  • Marriott Marquis Houston, TX, was 5, now 6
  • W Dallas – Victory, TX, was 5, now 6
  • Marriott Marquis Washington, DC, was 5, now 6
  • SpringHill Suites Jackson Hole, WY, was 5, now 6
  • Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino, was 5, now 6
  • Surfers Paradise Marriott Resort & Spa, Australia, was 5, now 6
  • Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort, Gold Coast, Australia, was 5, now 6
  • Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort, Port Douglas, Australia, was 5, now 6
  • Marriott Vacation Club at Surfers Paradise, Australia, was 5, now 6
  • Le Méridien Vienna, Austria, was 5, now 6
  • The Coral at Atlantis, Bahamas, was 5, now 6
  • Kananaskis Mountain Lodge, Autograph Collection, Canada, was 5, now 6
  • Le Westin Montreal, Canada, was 5, now 6
  • Four Points by Sheraton Niagara Falls Fallsview, Canada, was 5, now 6
  • Delta Hotels Vancouver Downtown Suites, Canada, was 5, now 6
  • Westin Grand, Vancouver, Canada, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott Guanacaste Resort & Spa, Costa Rica, was 5, now 6
  • Prague Marriott Hotel, Czech Republic, was 5, now 6
  • Boscolo Exedra Autograph Collection Nice, France, was 5, now 6
  • AC Hotel Nice, France, was 5, now 6
  • Budapest Marriott Hotel, Hungary, was 5, now 6
  • Le Méridien Visconti Rome, Italy, was 5, now 6
  • AC Hotel Venezia, Venice, Italy, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard Tokyo Station, Japan, was 5, now 6
  • Westin Miyako Kyoto, Japan, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott Hotel Mexico City, Mexico, was 5, now 6
  • W Mexico City, Mexico, was 5, now 6
  • Hacienda Temozon, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Temozon Sur, Mexico, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott El Convento Cusco, Peru, was 5, now 6
  • Palacio del Inka, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Cusco, Peru, was 5, now 6
  • Renaissance Lucerne Hotel, Switzerland, was 5, now 6
  • Phuket Marriott Resort and Spa, Nai Yang Beach, Thailand, was 5, now 6
  • Renaissance Phuket Resort & Spa, Thailand, was 5, now 6
  • Dubai Marriott Harbour Hotel & Suites, UAE, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott Marquis Hotel Dubai, UAE, was 5, now 6
  • S. Regis Abu Dhabi, UAE, was 5, now 6
  • JW Marriott Phu Quoc Emerald Bay Resort & Spa, Vietnam, was 5, now 6
  • Courtyard Santa Monica, CA, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Marina del Rey, CA, was 6, now 7
  • Westin Monache Resort, Mammoth, CA, was 6, now 7
  • JW Marriott San Francisco Union Square, CA, was 6, now 7
  • W San Francisco, CA, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Denver, CO, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Amelia Island, FL, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton Key Biscayne, Miami, FL, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton Golf Resort, Naples, FL, was 6, now 7
  • Marriott’s Maui Ocean Club – Molokai, Maui & Lanai Towers, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Mauna Kea Beach Hotel, Autograph Collection, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Sheraton Maui Resort & Spa, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Westin Ka’anapali Ocean Resort Villas, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Westin Maui Resort & Spa, Ka’anapali, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Wailea Beach Resort – Marriott, Maui, HI, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, New Orleans, LA, was 6, now 7
  • Boston Marriott Long Wharf, MA, was 6, now 7
  • Renaissance Boston Patriot Place Hotel, MA, was 6, now 7
  • New York Marriott Marquis, NY, was 6, now 7
  • Renaissance New York Times Square Hotel, NY, was 6, now 7
  • Westin New York at Times Square, NY, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Philadelphia, PA, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Dallas, TX, was 6, now 7
  • Hotel Park City, Autograph Collection, UT, was 6, now 7
  • Seattle Marriott Waterfront, WA, was 6, now 7
  • Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino, was 6, now 7
  • Hotel Imperial, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Vienna, Austria, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Vienna, Austria, was 6, now 7
  • The Royal at Atlantis, Bahamas, was 6, now 7
  • Le Westin Resort & Spa, Tremblant, Quebec, Canada was 6, now 7
  • JW Marriott Parq Vancouver, Canada was 6, now 7
  • JW Marriott Cannes, France, was 6, now 7
  • Paris Marriott Opera Ambassador Hotel, France, was 6, now 7
  • Renaissance Paris Arc de Triomphe Hotel, France, was 6, now 7
  • Westin Dublin, Ireland, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Herzliya, Israel, was 6, now 7
  • Westin Excelsior, Rome, Italy, was 6, now 7
  • JW Marriott Venice Resort & Spa, Italy, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Macau, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Mexico City, Mexico, was 6, now 7
  • S. Regis Mexico City, Mexico, was 6, now 7
  • Amsterdam Marriott Hotel, Netherlands, was 6, now 7
  • Caresse, a Luxury Collection Resort & Spa, Bodrum, Turkey, was 6, now 7
  • S. Regis Saadiyat Island Resort, Abu Dhabi, UAE, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Dubai International Financial Centre, UAE, was 6, now 7
  • Ritz-Carlton, Boston, MA, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton, Los Angeles, CA, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton, San Francisco, CA, was 7, now 8
  • S. Regis San Francisco, CA, was 7, now 8
  • Westin Riverfront Resort & Spa, Avon, Vail Valley, CO, was 7, now 8
  • Palm Beach Marriott Singer Island Beach Resort & Spa, FL, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton Residences, Waikiki Beach, HI, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton, Kapalua, Maui, HI, was 7, now 8
  • The Westin Nanea Ocean Villas, Ka’anapali, Maui, HI, was 7, now 8
  • The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas, Autograph Collection, NV, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton, Aruba, was 7, now 8
  • The Cove at Atlantis, Bahamas, was 7, now 8
  • French Leave Resort, Autograph Collection, Bahamas, was 7, now 8
  • Westin Excelsior, Florence, Italy, was 7, now 8
  • Domes Noruz Chania, Autograph Collection, Greece, was 7, now 8
  • The Romanos, a Luxury Collection Resort, Costa Navarino, Greece, was 7, now 8
  • Vedema, a Luxury Collection Resort, Santorini, Greece, was 7, now 8
  • Le Méridien Beach Plaza, Monaco, was 7, now 8
  • S. Regis Singapore, was 7, now 8
  • Hotel Maria Cristina, a Luxury Collection Hotel, San Sebastian, Spain, was 7, now 8
  • Hotel Alfonso XIII, Luxury Collection, Seville, Spain, was 7, now 8
  • Hotel Arts Barcelona, Spain, was 7, now 8
  • The Barcelona EDITION, Spain, was 7, now 8
  • W Barcelona, Spain, was 7, now 8
  • Ritz-Carlton Hotel de la Paix, Geneva, Switzerland, was 7, now 8
  • London Marriott Hotel County Hall, UK, was 7, now 8
  • London Marriott Hotel Park Lane, UK, was 7, now 8

Sample hotels going down in category:

  • Four Points by Sheraton Chicago O’Hare Airport, IL, was 3, now 2
  • AC Hotel Panama City, Panama, was 3, now 2
  • Courtyard Boynton Beach, FL, was 4, now 3
  • Sheraton Suites Fort Lauderdale at Cypress Creek, FL, was 4, now 3
  • Sheraton Suites Fort Lauderdale Plantation, FL, was 4, now 3
  • Four Points by Sheraton Orlando International Drive, FL, was 4, now 3
  • Westin Southfield Detroit, MI, was 4, now 3
  • Renaissance Santiago Hotel, Chile, was 4, now 3
  • Aloft Cancun, Mexico, was 4, now 3
  • Courtyard Vilnius City Center, Lithuania, was 4, now 3
  • Cape Town Marriott Hotel Crystal Towers, South Africa, was 4, now 3
  • Sheraton Heathrow Hotel, UK, was 4, now 3
  • Aloft San Jose Cupertino, CA, was 5, now 4
  • Denver Airport Marriott at Gateway Park, CO, was 5, now 4
  • Westin Fort Lauderdale, FL, was 5, now 4
  • Baltimore Marriott Inner Harbor at Camden Yards, MD, was 5, now 4
  • Teaneck Marriott at Glenpointe, NJ, was 5, now 4
  • Sheraton Portland Airport Hotel, OR, was 5, now 4
  • Westin Dallas Fort Worth Airport, TX, was 5, now 4
  • Le Méridien Houston Downtown, TX, was 5, now 4
  • Taipei Marriott Hotel, Taiwan, was 5, now 4
  • Le Méridien Khao Lak Resort & Spa, Thailand, was 5, now 4
  • Westin Bonaventure Hotel & Suites, Los Angeles, CA, was 6, now 5
  • Westin San Diego, CA, was 6, now 5
  • Westin Resort Guam, was 6, now 5
  • Park Tower, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Buenos Aires, Argentina, was 6, now 5
  • Sheraton Miyako Hotel Tokyo, Japan, was 6, now 5
  • W Washington D.C., was 7, now 6
  • Ritz-Carlton, Perth, Australia, was 7, now 6
  • Sheraton Addis, Luxury Collection, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, was 7, now 6
  • JW Marriott Hotel Singapore, was 7, now 6
  • W Aspen, CO, was 8, now 7
  • Hotel President Wilson, a Luxury Collection Hotel, Geneva, was 8, now 7
  • Cristallo, a Luxury Collection Resort & Spa, Cortina d’Ampezzo, Italy, was 8, now 7
  • W Hong Kong, was 8, now 7

Which changes will affect you the most? Which hotels will you book before rates go up?

HT: mochjas, via DDF

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Yechiel Z

This is the reason I closed my SPG (Free Bonvoy Card) 1 year ago.

AAguero9

This is disgraceful. I was always a loyal SPG member and hated Marriott, now its obvious why. These new changes DEFINITELY make me question keeping my former SPG cards for the free night.

Berry

Looks like I’ll be booking the Royal Orchid Sheraton in Bangkok probably for the last time. Not only did they go up 5K points a night last year as a category 3 now they are going to a 4. I’ll now be Bonvoying my CC’s for Marriott in addition.

Shaul Yaakov Morrison

In defense of raising rates on China hotels, the decision was obviously made weeks ago and it’s too late to change it. To the extent that hotels do better than break-even on a low occupancy rears night, they’re probably not pleased about being raised.

KSMH

#bonvoyed and BRUTAL

abraham

Four Points by Sheraton Niagara Falls Fallsview, Canada used to be category 2 only 2 years ago and will now be a 6. Insane.

YoniPDX

Well FNA’s have posted, and next AF goes up to $125 – seems like the prudent thing to do is free up the Amex Credit card slots and cancel the SPG biz cards.

Seems like more and more that moving to MR/UR and CB cards is also looking like the best way to go moving forward.

SPG “so long and thanks for all the fish”

Elle

For newbies like me: can you clarify?

Ed

Sheraton Grand Hotel Wuhan, China, was 2, now 3

Very funny. How about category 1, or zero? Nobody is going there anytime soon. You’d really be Bonvoyed if your hotel stay proved fatal.

k

This is essentially rendering most CC free night (Category 5) certificates useless. I guess it’s time to get rid of those cards now that the annual fees will no longer be worthwhile. What a shame to destroy the amazing SPG brand #Bonvoyed!

Ed

The AmEx Business Bonvoy cards still have a number of very decent AmEx offers. This defrays much of the annual fee on the card (sometimes I even turn a small profit compared to the annual fee), so these are the ones I am most likely to keep. But I agree that it’s getting more and more difficult to get reasonable value from the annual “free night” on most of the rest of the Bonvoy credit cards from Chase and AmEx.

gemarakop

usually you can get the same offers on other business no reason to keep it for that

jb

I have already begun booking my stays with HYATT..I just booked a hotel that is $980 a night + tax and resort fees for 20k hyATT POINTA- thank you chase for letting me transfer:)

Sammy J

Hi Dan,
If I need an Amex without a foreign transaction fee, what would be my best option now for the lowest annual fee? I had the brilliant card this year because I was targeted to upgrade for a 100k points bonus, but now I am so fed up with Marriott. They screwed me on my travel package and they took my category 6 free night cert by mistake instead of points on a one night hotel stay that the room costed only 35k and they refuse to give my back my cert! I am finished with them, the card is not worth holding any longer. Any advice in terms of a new Amex card. I would really appreciate it. Thank you!

Sholom Brody

Thanks for posting the bad news here. We need to be reminded of how bad is has gotten. I have moved all stays to either Hyatt, or no program places. Much happier with my stays and how I am treated.

S/Ol

Four Points by Sheraton Niagara Falls Fallsview, Canada, was 5, now 6. was considering using the 35k cert. for this. no longer a possibility

Glushtygiz

Why can’t u use fna 50k on off peak of a category 7

Texas Totty

If I’m looking to open a Chase card in place of my soon to be closed SPG Marriot card, is it better to close first card before opening new one or better to open first and then close old one?

Mootkim

The ritz in Westchester is a big one as well. Going from 5 to 6

Jay Weiss

The answer to this, and to ALL the airlines that are emasculating their points programs and status programs is to loudly and publicly say that we are finished with loyalty to these folks. They’ve told us that loyalty doesn’t pay, and we should just go back to buying the item we want for the best price. Eventually, some Ivy League genius will come up with the idea of rewarding us for our “loyalty”! What an ingenious proposal! Who would ever have thought of that! BUT until we act in response to all of them, nothing will happen. We do have the power to make them change, but only if we use it. So next year, for me, it’s sayanora to United. Cheapest flight that day will get my business.

JT

Reading this while burning my 7 night certificate in Kona! I am done with Marriott. They will not get another paid stay from me.

JohnnieD

Wow. Bonvoyed again.

Mordechai

Wow!

Finally going to cancel my personal and business Marriott cards after this.

Such a shame since SPG was by far the best loyalty program.

What is the next best option for a hotel credit card points program?

Is it just worth swiping on a 2% cashback card and paying for a hotel in cash?

pointer

Hyatt.

Mordechai

The Hyatt program is better than the Hilton one?

What about the news that they will be rolling out peak/off peak pricing in MArch?

Joel2

Hyatt will still be better

BigAl

Dan,

As always, thanks for sharing.

I’m sitting on over 1M Marriott points. With all this going on and probably not using them on hotels, what is your recommendation for transfer options etc.

bob

While it sucks that so many places are going up, the places I use most are actually going down. I like Teaneck Marriott & Sheraton Plantation so I am actually doing okay on this.

Berry

The whole dynamic pricing is a scam. I’m trying to lock in my rooms before my hotel goes up to a Cat 4 from Cat 3. While changing the dates to see what will work for me, I noticed that the same night depending how many nights you book can be off-peak, standard or high demand. What a joke!!!

David

The hotel industry and Airline industry play a lot around with pricing

k

Any chance Marriott will push back the March 4th date because of the Corona Virus?

Mir

With this devaluation is 105k bonvoy points & 5.82 euro better than $486.22 USD cash?

Helen

No

Esti A

Which are the best points/ hotel chain to collect for a week plus stay in Hawaii?

Davidmal

Last few days…. WHAT SHOULD I BOOK!!?????

time for me to empty my points bank on speculative bookings

Whats everyone booking?

aaron

can anniversary nights be cancelled and returned to account?
any info on the Ritz-Carlton in Westchester?

Eli

Is Marriott’s losses due to coronavirus a good thing for us consumers or not? Maybe with less demand they won’t do such insanely overpricing (in points currency) for their supply.

Harry

I know this sounds crazy, and don’t get me wrong this completely sucks, but my aces in the hole for my 35k redemptions has always been The Residence Inn in Surfside at a category 5 (which recently always seems to be at peak), The Westin Playa Bonita Panama at a category 4, The Westin Cancun at a category 5 and The Westin Punta Cana at a category 5. Losing the Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino is a killer because that was a cheap option in Aruba. But at $85 a year there are still a few diamonds in the rough left.

Harry

Also I really see no advantage at all in getting the Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant American Express Card. The Hilton Amex Aspire card blows it out of the water for the same price you get:
• Top Tier Elite Status
• $250 Resort Statement Credit
• $200 Airline Fee Credit
• A free weekend night at any Standard Reward Hilton Brand Hotel (I have used this at the Jerusalem Waldorf)

S/O

Thank you. just locked in four days at Residence Inn Cleveland Beachwood for 57.5k for the summer, before it goes up to cat. 3

Joe

Hi Dan,
I’m so conflicted. Ive been with SPG for 15 plus years. Just recently I stayed at The Ritz Aruba for 6 days for 300,000 points. After being targeted with bonuses I was able to get this $1000 a night hotel after 1 year of 2 cards spending. How can you say Chase Hybrid points is the way to go. Even at 3% back I would never get to stay at a hotel like that. At a crossroads now. Do I close my cards and try to get the Bonvoy bonuses again or open a Hybrid card.

Joe S

Spent last night booking some Maui (Westin Nanea Villas, Ritz Carlton) and Aruba (Renaissance Ocean Suites) hotels last night for next year just in case. Was looking for some 1 bedrooms or nice hotels that would be going up in price. Also booked one night with an annual cert at the Westchester Ritz. Seems like every year we book our Winter break trip based off Marriott increases, last year we got the Sheraton Suites in Key West for 35K/night with 5th night free before it went up, as well as the Ritz Coconut Grove.

Eve

Does anyone know the hotels in Prague closest to the Chabad house/ Shliach ?

marko

i just locked in 5 nights at ritzeliya for 200k points as a place holder in the summer, hoping a bonvoy rep will help me get it honored for the dates i actually go when u book them.

so sad what bonvoy did to spg 🙁

Helen

Good luck with that. They most likely won’t allow date changes. Probably need to cancel and rebook at new rate.

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