Quick Thoughts On The Latest Dr. Dao Lawsuit, United’s Newest Polaris Conversion, And Flying On Beds In The Cargo Hold

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United Polaris:

  • United’s first reconfigured 777-200 with direct aisle access Polaris seating is on its way back to the US.
    • United is currently only retrofitting the really old pre-merger United planes that have first class and an insane 4 middle seats in business class. This is bad news for people who liked the roomy first class cabin, as United is phasing out first class. It’s also bad news in economy, as United’s Polaris 777s have 10 across seating in the back of the bus instead of 9 across. However it is great news for business class passengers and there will now be 50 Polaris business class seats instead of just 40.
    • Don’t expect to see this plane operate the afternoon Newark-Tel Aviv-Newark flights anytime soon as that is operated by a pre-merger Continental 777-200. United is first retrofitting the pre-merger United planes as the pre-merger Continental business class is significantly more updated than pre-merger United’s. That’s good news as that route retains 9 across seating in coach. My old advice remains true, take the afternoon flight to/from Tel Aviv in coach and the evening flight to/from Tel Aviv in business class.
  • Airbus has developed “Cargo Class” with full beds for the A330 in the belly of the plane.
    • I don’t need the fancy business class seat and food. I’d be all over a cargo class full bed for the right price. Airlines can order these starting in 2020 and Airbus is looking to create this for the A350 as well, an airplane that Cathay Pacific currently flies between Tel Aviv and Hong Kong. Would you fly in Cargo Class? Or does that sound too claustrophobic for you without any windows?
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56 Comments on "Quick Thoughts On The Latest Dr. Dao Lawsuit, United’s Newest Polaris Conversion, And Flying On Beds In The Cargo Hold"

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Jack

The “cargo” class beds will be IN addition to the seat upstairs.

dd

the headline shouldn’t say “dr. dao lawsuit”- makes it seem like Dao is suing again.

shmo

Agree, it’s misleading.

josh

agree, the grammar is wrong. makes it sound like dao is suing.

harvey

Yes- it’s not his lawsuit. It says Dr. Dao lawsuit!

Mike

Dan, I disagree. Police Officers do not wake up in the morning and say I want to go and kill or beat someone. The real culprit in this case was the Dr. who refused a lawful command of a law enforcement official. Yes the cop might have overreacted a little but that is due to the Dr. refusal to comply with the command. The only reason he got all that money is for the PR nightmare for United to disappear. If the case ever went to a Jury he would have lost. Where was his personal responsibility to follow the command of the officer. While there can be a debate whether there was a right to bump him from the plane or if the officer used excessive force. You can’t second guess every action that an officer takes when dealing with those who do not follow their orders. These officers are trying to keep us safe and if we don’t have their back, which we haven’t especially our past President, we see the uptick in violent crime across the inner city of America because each cop says why should I bother putting myself in this situation by engaging with some low life who might not cooperate at all and lead to one of these situation where their career is ruined.We stand with our men in blue who put their life’s on the line everyday to keep us safe. One mistake shouldn’t ruin someone’s career.

reb yid

“I don’t need the fancy business class seat and food.”
Finally, someone in the travel blogging industry with the guts to say that. Personally, I want to be able to arrive at my destination rested, not cramped, etc. Like a sleeper car on a train. I don’t care about lobster served on china and a fancy-named amenity kit, for more than one reason.

jim

Dao must be living like a king with the $40, million dollar cash from UA. They should have settled for 80 million $ instead cos UA is a pathetic airline just any any of the USbased airlines are. UA is the worst!

Phil

Dan. The charge for the bed would be for a certain amount of time and an additional price on top of the business class seat which would be a required prerequisite

Jack out of the box

On a long flight all I need is a bed and bathroom. A screen showing the flight map would be helpful. As a kosher consumer I anyway bring along my own food just in case. Drinks would have to be provided just because they don’t allow us to bring our own.

Sam

I’m 1K United fly a lot. Would do it in a heartbeat would even pay for it.

Carl

I would absolutely fly in the cargo bed thing if the price was right. Like many, all I need is to get from A to B. Water and a potty and wifi or at least a USB to power my device and I am fine.

Joe

Will they service the sleeper cars properly in between flights? They’d need to budget more time at the gate.

Work-for-ur-muny

Hmmm, I don’t see this cargo class coming any time soon. Let us not forget that with it comes a complete new set of emergency exits, slides/rafts and all that stuff, plus there’s obviously a requirement for a new rule book for safety regulations, upon which regulators MUST disagree for at least 4-5 years before even going to the second draft… You get what I mean…

Achshell

FYI, I’ve flown multiple times on an A330 with a downstairs bathroom area in the cargo level, they don’t need any extra exits. Shouldn’t be a big deal.

Woof

Any news about UA using a Polaris fitted plane to serve the new SFO-Tel Aviv route? Will this aircraft be used just for the initial few months? Will they just borrow the aircraft currently serving the SFO-FRA route?

Their Polaris product roll-out is pathetic. So slow and inconsistent. No wonder nobody wants to fly them.

Eliezer

Can’t imagine how they will manage to wake up a tight sleeper to get out of bed and up to his seat in coach before landing.. I think that they should hire the Chicago cop Mr. Long for that duty..

confused big time

if you have a regular seat and a bed in “cargo class” will they come and wake you up if there is turbulence or will you need to stay seatbelted when you sleep !?

Al

Hi Dan, I wasn’t sure how else to get in contact with you but the first UA 777-200 was just reconfigured with the new Polaris seats and 3-4-3 in economy. I’m sure we’ll start to see these planes on the EWR-TLV soon

Shmaya

Why do you think they cant have windows in Cargo class?

Yair

because these are basically cargo containers put in the baggage hold, and there ain’t no windows down there.

Shmaya

Read the article, got my answer.

Anonymous

They going to have “separate sleeping”? deal with abuse? I witnessed abuse from a drunk passenger sittng in coach- Chicago police were waiting when we got off the plane! And change the linen in between passengers? And wake pple up when your time slot is up?

Yitz

Where are they gonna put the luggage if the cargo hold has beds in it?

Ewz

If a passenger travels in cargo, hopefully they don’t impose a 50 lb. maximum.

Yanki

Word

MosheD

1. For the kosher traveler, the cargo beds are def great. Half the service we pay for (and dont use) in oremium cabins is the restaurant style service. So cutting it out is perfect.

2. I dont anticipate being all that cheap as it sounds like it would be displacing actual cargo. (Yes, most passanger planes carry profitable cargo as well).

3. Ive done cramped sleeper trains in 3rd world countries, and i assure you its no business class…

horrible united

United is horrible.Just this week I had a ticket that I wanted to cancel (I bought it with a voucher)and the manager said I could and she’ll make an exeption because they changed my flight time a little bit.I called back and they said they won’t honor that commitment.I was on the phone for 2 hours and the supervisor said that this has to be done online.He only told me that after wasting 2 hours screaming at me and wasting my time.Never buy united again.
Also,a different time I had wheelchair assistance and I asked 2 workers to get me help and they ignored me and told me to go myself finding their assistants.HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

Anon

I can predict if someone buys the cargo space on a long haul flight and is not occupying it the whole time, he may consider “subletting” it to another passenger to sleep for 2 hours while he watches a movie. Just a thought on what will Probobly happen.

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