4BM Success!

Update for all of the naysayers: All of the points from these 4 churned cards (30K Starwood+30K Starwood+25K MR+30K Delta) have posted automatically.  Additionally I now have received 8 elite stay credits and 20 elite night credits this year from my 4 currently active Starwood cards.

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I’ve been doing 2BMs and 3BMs since I started blogging back in 2004. I did it on a whim with 3 Citi AA cards and got 3 instant approvals and coined the method to my madness the “3 browser method” and its made the rounds online ever since. I used to do that every 60-90 days on those cards, but in recent years Citi has gotten much tougher with AA card approvals for people who have had the card in the past.

I recently wrote about the process of a 3BM and an AOR in this post. The advantage is that you increase your odds for instant approvals and you limit the number of hard pulls.  I’ve been known to do a few 3BMs with different banks (Chase works well for me also) as close to the same time as possible.

This past May I did a 3BM with American Express for the Delta Gold Consumer, the Premier Gold, and the Platinum Consumer card. All were approved within a few days without having to call and the points posted for all of them although I have had them all in the past.

You can check approval status with this online tool.

This past Sunday I was feeling brave and for the first time decided to try for 4 cards from American Express. I applied for the Starwood Consumer card and the Premier Gold Consumer card first and then followed up a couple minutes later with the Starwood Business card and the Delta Gold Business card.

I had no instant decisions, but by Friday I had 3 approvals without speaking to anyone. For my last card I got a voicemail to call them up. I gathered my courage and called up, chatted with the offshore rep about his dislike to work on the weekend and his love to relax with a smoke and a bourbon, and after a few minutes he just verified that my address was correct and approved me on the spot.

After that I signed up yet again for Citi Identity Monitor for $1 for the first month (using Citi’s own virtual card number program so that I won’t be charged extra if I forget to cancel) and confirmed that I only had received 1 credit pull for my May 3BM and 1 credit pull for my August 4BM with American Express. In OH, American Express pulls from Experian and Chase pulls from Transunion.

If you make no income on the books I wouldn’t recommend doing this with American Express, but as long as you make something on the books (a DDF member recently passed a financial review with just $6K on the books even though he reported income many times that) you should not have a problem passing a financial review should it ever come to that.

I have had 3 Starwood cards in the past, but this is my first time having 4.  I’ll let you know if I get 8 elite stay credits from this!

Total haul with the limited time promotions will be 60K bonus Starpoints, 25K bonus MR points, and 30K Delta miles.  Plus I can’t wait for Small Business Saturday or for the next AMEX promotion like Gift Chain with so many cards!  Of course my local restaurant looked at me like I was nuts for paying my bill with 4 different credit cards all signed up for $5 off $10 with AMEX Foursquare!

For those keeping score at home, my current active card lineup with American Express is 9 cards:
-SPG Consumer #1
-SPG Consumer #2
-Delta Gold Consumer
-Platinum Consumer
-Premier Gold Consumer #1
-Premier Gold Consumer #2
-SPG Business #1
-SPG Business #2
-Delta Gold Business

And I have 10 active Chase cards:
-Sapphire Preferred Visa
-Sapphire Preferred World Mastercard
-Ink Bold Business (with Chase Exclusives linked)
-Ink Classic Business
-Freedom Visa (with Chase Exclusives linked)
-Hyatt Visa
-United MileagePlus Explorer Visa
-United Club Mastercard
-United MileagePlus Explorer Mastercard
-Southwest Visa

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151 Responses to “4BM Success!”

  1. Anonymous Says:
    1

    My mouth just watered from this post!!

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  2. Anonymous Says:
    2

    BTW, how come I can’t seem to replicate your success? My last AOR I only went 3/6. You seem to never ever be turned down for a CC!!

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  3. milechazzer Says:
    3

    Nicely done! Now how much in annual fees for renewals ;)

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  4. Dan Says:
    4

    @Anonymous:
    Always call Recon if needed. Don’t let a “no” discourage you from HUCA.
    And move to OH where AMEX and Chase pull from different bureaus. In states like NJ, NY, and IL they both pull from Experian I believe. Though for Chase that can be mitigated with freezing.

    http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=8028.0
    http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/22047
    http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=6373

    @milechazzer:
    http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1572

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  5. hudi Says:
    5

    How do i get a citi virtual card number?

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  6. Dan Says:
    6

    @hudi:
    Login to http://www.citicards.com for their online or downloadable app.

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  7. CBD Says:
    7

    Dan- Thanks for the great post. A few questions:

    1)I already have a SPG card but I see you have 2. Is that a different card? The linky brought up the same card. Same question for Premier Gold and SPG Business.

    2)How often can you re-apply for SPG after closing? Other AMEX cards?

    Thanks as always.

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  8. booyaa Says:
    8

    How are you able to get bonuses for same card over and over again despite applying within so close to each other and when old is still open?

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  9. Dan Says:
    9

    @CBD:
    I have 2 of each of those cards now.

    @booyaa:
    I apply for co-branded cards from AMEX with a blank mileage number and from Chase with a new mileage number and have never had a problem.

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  10. booyaa Says:
    10

    And how are you not hit with the “duplicate app” rule with Amex when you apply for more than 1 card in a day? They say second app will be processed a couple days later and according to others, they will pull a second time then.

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  11. Dan Says:
    11

    @booyaa:
    I’ve never had that problem and neither have other forum members.
    In fact another forum member just posted he was approved for a whopping 5BM without having to call in:
    http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=19529.msg290459#msg290459

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  12. hudi Says:
    12

    @Dan: you must have missed it but quite a few ppl on the forums have had that problem with amex including me twice.

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  13. 123 Says:
    13

    so you mixed business and personal 1 pull? hows that possible?

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  14. arch Says:
    14

    Just to clarify, When they say that there were too many apps, and they are going to wait 5 days, are they going to do another credit check? Should I just wait, or tell them to cancel the app?

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  15. Anonymous Says:
    15

    @Dan: So you are saying that even if someone has an SPG card, they can apply again with a blank number, while leaving card #1 open? I know these may be amateur questions, but I am sure I am not the only one. :)

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  16. Moshe Says:
    16

    Dan, will i get the 40k signup bonus for the Sapphire Preferred Master Card if I already have now the Sapphire Preferred Visa?

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  17. HSS Says:
    17

    Dan,

    When you churn SPG cards do you open a new SPG time each time to put on the application? Otherwise how do you ensure getting the signup bonus again?

    (If you dont want this in public feel free not to let this through and just send me a PM on the forums)

    HSS

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  18. Sarah Says:
    18

    How do you churn the Delta gold card? Same as the SPG? Leave the skymiles blank? Or make a new account beforehand? TIA

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  19. sam Says:
    19

    no two pulls for business and consumer? pretty sure I saw you mention before that it was most likely to cause two pulls.

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  20. dave Says:
    20

    I dont understand how do you have 2 of the same exact CC’s?

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  21. dave Says:
    21

    Also when churning cards (canceling and reapplying??) how long should i wait with the card before canceling and how long between canceling and reapplying

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  22. yidel Says:
    22

    After approval for the spg (leaving the spg# blank?), how do you combine the spg points with your existing starwoods acct?
    Thanks.

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  23. yidel Says:
    23

    Also, does “freezing” my Exparian co$t any mulla? TIA

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  24. TG Says:
    24

    Dan, how do I check the status online of my Chase cc application?

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  25. creditor Says:
    25

    WOW IMPRESSIVE!
    DAN, how come I don’t recall you ever mentioning on the forums that spy and PRG don’t need to be shut before reapplieing? [I can maybe understand spy but having 2 PRG's open is behind me]

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  26. Dan Says:
    26

    @123:
    It works just fine with Amex!

    @arch:
    I’d just wait. YMMV.

    @Anonymous:
    That’s what I did.

    @Moshe:
    Yes though it may auto reject you. Just call recon and explain why you need both or offer to have the Visa closed to approve the MC.

    @HSS:
    Blank.

    @Sarah:
    Blank.

    @sam:
    Just 1 pull but YMMV.

    @dave:
    I had a reason ready to use (dedicated HSA spending card) but never had to use it as they were approved on their own.

    @dave:
    This isn’t a science. Its all trial and error.

    @yidel:
    There’s a merge option on spg.com

    @TG:
    You need to call or wait for it to show up in your online profile.

    @creditor:
    I have mentioned having 3 SPG cards in the past. Now we know 4 is also possible.

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  27. creditor Says:
    27

    and what about PRG, how’s that possible?

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  28. xp0 Says:
    28

    I thought Amex and Chase limited the number of cards you can have open at a given time? I thought Amex was like 3 personal and 2 business or something like that?

    So for SPG (I have personal and business already … both applied for and received over 1-2+ years ago) I can just apply again, leave the SPG number blank, and then combine them later on?

    Thanks!

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  29. Dan Says:
    29

    @creditor:
    How’s what possible? I just did it and it happened without even a phone call.

    @xp0:
    Apparently not.

    That’s what I do. YMMV.

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  30. Anonymous Says:
    30

    I got a call from amex that I can’t have more then 4 cards open with them how come you have 9?

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  31. Dan Says:
    31

    @Anonymous:
    HUCA?

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  32. xp0 Says:
    32

    HUCA?

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  33. Dan Says:
    33

    http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/22047

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  34. runnergirl Says:
    34

    How long do you wait between your round of applications? I heard it’s best to apply for cc’s every 3 months. Is that the case b/c we have often been getting an initial refection due to, “Too many credit inquiries” . Any suggestions?

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  35. xp0 Says:
    35

    Thanks :)

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  36. miles Says:
    36

    I wonder how u don’t get A/Aed from chase

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  37. c Says:
    37

    dan i applied for 4 citicards and got 3 approved – didnt put in my mileage number but still didnt get the sign up bonus – (with one i made a spelling mistake and they gave me a new addavantage number ad got the bonus there)

    Is the natural Churn now over and now you need to “Mispell” your name?

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  38. xp0 Says:
    38

    I would think it doesnt have much to do with your name since you are still providing your SSN which I would assume is what they go by?

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  39. brook Says:
    39

    how do they approve you for a card you arleady have?? i’ve never had success with that!

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  40. jtown bochur Says:
    40

    “using Citi’s own virtual card number program” -what does that mean?
    Thanks for the awesome posts dan!!!

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  41. needcc Says:
    41

    Hi Dan,
    My credit is not that good (600). Is there any way i can get a cc that is not a secured card? thanks

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  42. yitzyl Says:
    42

    Question.

    after getting the SPG cards do you NEED to make up a new Starwoodhotels.com account to see and get the miles ???

    please reply

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  43. Mimi K. Says:
    43

    I did a 5BM W/ Chase just for thrills once.
    I only got 2 of them but of course only one pull on Experian

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  44. Aryeh1 Says:
    44

    @needcc:
    store card

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  45. love this blog Says:
    45

    ” a DDF member recently passed a financial review with just $6K on the books even though he reported income many times that”
    link to DDF?

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  46. phil Says:
    46

    i called chase aboout the sp world mastercard covering the collision damage waiver and they said that israel was excluded. is that a change from earlier?

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  47. booyaa Says:
    47

    @hudi:

    Exactly, everywhere else I’ve read most people have run into this. Except for those who seemed to have applied for charge cards on the second app, which is the only case for myself my second app didn’t get delayed.

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  48. booyaa Says:
    48

    Dan, you’re in CLE? I’m in ROC. We need to meet. :)

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  49. Jack40 Says:
    49

    I aplyd In 3BM For AMEX SPG Cosumer, Premier Gold, Delta Skymiles All Consumer. I got instant aproved on first two and the Delta it said to call them and now on the status is says “Proccesing” Shuld I call them or wait to aprove Automatic?
    Also I have the INK BOLD with chase checking so I would Like you to put this card in the charts VS. other cards even its not avalble anymore. I also want to Know if you think I shuld hold the card even with anual fee because once its closed it cant be get agin?

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  50. booyaa Says:
    50

    Also, you leave blank for co-branded reward programs for bonus points, what about the multiple PRG cards?

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  51. Zalman Says:
    51

    Hey Dan, I just got declined for Amex Consumer, i HUCA the reconsideration line a few times and they all told me to Fax in my Credit report and a letter.. to the Media Team, do i have to do that…?

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  52. Moshe Says:
    52

    Hi Dan, i have no CC in mine name and I recently got declined for Chase Perfered, i HUCA`D a few times but no luck, i have $2000 balance on my credit report from 2008 and a 630 Score, what do u think i should do?

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  53. App-o-rama Says:
    53

    Dan, I want to do the following App-o-rama:

    3 Amex cards

    3 Chase cards

    2 Citi cards

    Is this crazy?

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  54. MilesCollector Says:
    54

    Way to go Dan!!!
    Presumably the significant other has a comparable card line up.
    How about little Rafi?

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  55. Dan Says:
    55

    @runnergirl:
    3 months is a good rule of thumb.

    @miles:
    They haven’t been doing A/As of late. And they were more targeting abusers of cards like AARP.

    @c:
    No need to mispell anything. Citi got too hard with the AA cards though and they don’t track by mileage numbers like the other guys do.

    @jtown bochur:
    It’s lets you create a credit card number only good for $1 and 1 month.

    @needcc:
    Get added as an AU onto come good cards.

    @love this blog:
    http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8.msg287872#msg287872

    @phil:
    Chase does not provide coverage, but MasterRental does on the Sapphire World Mastercard, call MasterRental for a letter for coverage.

    @Jack40:
    I’d wait.
    It’s a good card, I wouldn’t be too quick to close it.

    @booyaa:
    Haven’t had a problem in the past with it. My one in May was not my first time having it and had no probs getting the points.

    @Moshe:
    Get some help to clean your report.

    @App-o-rama:
    Not if you follow through.

    @MilesCollector:
    Lol, not yet.

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  56. hunch Says:
    56

    @love this blog:

    http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8.msg287872#msg287872

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  57. hudi Says:
    57

    Guys!!! Stop saying DAN!!!! Its annoying. He doesnt answer people who dont read the post or earlier comments.

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  58. yitzyl Says:
    58

    Question.
    after getting the SPG cards do you NEED to make up a new Starwoodhotels.com account to see and get the miles ???
    please reply

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  59. Abe Says:
    59

    @Dan I’ve been getting a 50000 mile delta deal in the mail every couple weeks now, is that only available to ppl who get the offer? I see you signed up to 30000.

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  60. isaac Says:
    60

    regarding comment #42 do you know of anything that i can do to get off chase blacklist ?

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  61. esther12 Says:
    61

    Dan, Do you think it’s safe to do 3BM with AMEX every 30 days or it’s too soon? Also, if you were to do a 3BM with chase, which 3 cards would you go for to get the most bonus miles?

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  62. esther12 Says:
    62

    also, if i have Gold Delta skymiles, should i close it wait 30 days and apply again or just apply while the old one is still open?

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  63. Mark Says:
    63

    Dan, Whats the difference between SPG Consumer card and Business Card?

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  64. Leah Says:
    64

    doesnt too many credit cards ruin your credit score?

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  65. needcc Says:
    65

    @needcc:
    Get added an an AU onto come good cards……..

    Thanks for your reply Dan, But can you explain?

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  66. AVi Says:
    66

    I’m confused. You seem to always say not to cancel CCs. Yet, you seem to have only a few active cards (19), but claim to open them almost monthly for years…

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  67. Dan Says:
    67

    @Abe:
    It’s targeted.

    @isaac:
    Try to get the credit bureaus to delete the cards from your record as they don’t exist.

    @esther12:
    Every 30 is pretty aggressive.
    Lots of great Chase cards, depends on what you have now.

    @esther12:
    This isn’t a game with rules. It’s trial and error.

    @Mark:
    There are a few small differences in benefits.

    @Leah:
    No.

    @needcc:
    Have a parent with a good old underutilized card add you onto that card.

    @AVi:
    When did I say not to cancel credit cards? I said no such thing.
    For what I actually said see here:
    http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23410

    Also these are my active cards from just 2 banks, I have many more active cards then that.

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  68. isaac Says:
    68

    @Dan:

    thanx for responding . Do u mean to say that chase doesnt keep their own blacklist ,and if i get it off my credit report they wouldt see that they closed my cards in 08 for no apparent reason ?

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  69. Dan Says:
    69

    @isaac:
    So I’ve heard.

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  70. needcc Says:
    70

    thanks anyways dan, but thats not going to happen, esp if the bill goes to my parent (even if i pay that segment)

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  71. Dan Says:
    71

    @needcc:
    You don’t need to use the card, it’s to improve your credit score.

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  72. Hudi Says:
    72

    Still cant find on citicards where to get a virtual card.

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  73. needcc Says:
    73

    oh i see, thanks!

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  74. isaac Says:
    74

    @Dan:
    thanx will try and keep u posted

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  75. esther12 Says:
    75

    Dan, I only have Chase sapphire preffered visa open, the rest i closed and moved the credit line to this one. So what other 3 cards you suggest I open?
    Thanks

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  76. Joseph Says:
    76

    Hello Dan! First and foremost big fan of your site. my daughter has just turned 18. what credit card do you recommend as her first under her name? ( help build up her credit)

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  77. miles Says:
    77

    I was A/A even with out abuse

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  78. Me Says:
    78

    Is chase sapphire preferred a business cc? I applied for it but it says that I cant link it to my other accounts because it is a business account.

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  79. shmuly Says:
    79

    how many minutes apart do you have with the 3bm i did it but one got messed up after the other was submitted and it took an additional 3-4 min before i could submit it

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  80. alce Says:
    80

    I have the premier gold busnss from october 2011 and they now offer to upgrade to platinum with 25k bonus no spending,
    no cr pull. Should i do it. I have the SPG cons, delta options cons and hilton. I would like to do a 4BM for SPG cons, PRG cons, Spg bsnss & Delta gold bsns. You mentioned once that cons and bsnss is 2 sep pulls but now it is one. Please advise if u have other sugesstions. Thanks so much for yr help !!!!

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  81. shooz Says:
    81

    @dan i am applyn 4 the spg business what else do u suggest for a 3bm w one hard pull thanx!

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  82. alce Says:
    82

    @dan I applied about !:00 am for 2 amex busnss and 2 amex cons and due to a glitch with my internet connection only one went through for spg bsnss. This is the msg I got.

    Thank you for applying for the Starwood Preferred Guest Business Credit CardSM from American Express.

    We are currently processing your application.

    To check the status of your application online, please go to http://www.americanexpress.com/myappstatus

    We will contact you when we have completed the processing of your application. Please refrain from submitting any additional applications for the Starwood Preferred Guest Business Credit CardSM from American Express as we are only able to consider your initial request.

    Sincerely,
    American Express Customer Service

    Any suggestions what I can do now ?

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  83. alce Says:
    83

    I just checked the status and the Delta bnss was approved with the SPG bsnss in Progress. So basically my 2 cons apps did not go through. Should I apply again for the 2 cons crds ( SPG and Premier gold) and will this be a pull again even though it is the same day. Also maybe I can try for a 3BM but which one as the third? Thanks again !!!!

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  84. arch Says:
    84

    Im having a problem getting a virtual cc number, can someone post a link please?

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  85. pinny Says:
    85

    I received a request for permission to see my tax return from AMEX. I had requested a credit increase. Is there any reason to or not to give it to them. I make money on the books.

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  86. yaakov Says:
    86

    how long is the spending requirements for the amex 30000 pts.? and is that from the first time i use the card or is there a set date?

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  87. dovy2 Says:
    87

    dan, can you use Virtual Account Numbers for all trials and the like risk-free

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  88. bb Says:
    88

    how do you have 2 consumer cards?

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  89. Dan Says:
    89

    @yaakov:
    The 30K deal is dead now.

    The current offer is 25K. You get 10K after the first purchase and 15K for spending $5,000 in 6 months. Though after spending $5K you will have 30K points.

    @bb:
    I applied and was approved.

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  90. Steven Says:
    90

    If i wanna get a second spg card do i write that i am an existing spg member? Last time i did it i never got the points because they said that its only for first time. Any help? Thanks again dan.

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  91. Steve O'Wales Says:
    91

    Hello Dan,

    There seems to be an issue with the image that you posted, I clicked on the links by the words CLICK HERE and none of them were in operation, my mouse gave me an option to save the link but all that did was download a picture file to my Windows PC.

    Please see if you can fix the links.

    Your Truly

    Steve O’Wales

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  92. John Says:
    92

    @Steven:
    So then say no.

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  93. Steven Says:
    93

    @ john. So that means im gonna have 2 accounts with points?

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  94. John Says:
    94

    https://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/account/combine_accounts/index.html

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  95. Al Says:
    95

    @Dan:
    Well I guess that would only work if you didn’t have to call in. If you did have to call in, what possible justification could you have for two consumer cards. ?

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  96. Dan Says:
    96

    @Al:
    Needing 2 cards for different expenses, like for HSA expenses, etc.
    I actually had to call in for my 2nd consumer SPG card, they didn’t ask why I wanted 2.

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  97. Anonymous Says:
    97

    Dan,

    Thanks for sharing you experience. Am I understand correctly, that AMEX in practice does not enforce their “12 month rule” about getting the bonus for the same card?

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  98. Dan Says:
    98

    @Anonymous:
    All I can do is share my experience.
    On the Premier Gold card I got the bonus in July and October.
    On the SPG cards I got both the bonuses despite currently holding both cards.

    There have been reports on the forums of problems with the Mercedes card however.

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  99. Bob Says:
    99

    Dan – I just signed up for the citi identity monitor. Unless i’m not seeing it, it seems that the identity monitor doenst tell you which credit bureau was pulled for each new account. Is this correct? Additionally, I did a big application batch and all my inquiries are showing up except for a barclays inquiry. I’m positive barclays would have made an inquiry as I was approved for the USAir card. Is there a chance barclays didnt do a hard pull? (doubtful)

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  100. Bob Says:
    100

    from my above post – my batch of cards included 2 citi AA cards, 2 chase cards, and the usaircard. Citi monitor is showing a pull from citi, a pull from chase, and none from barclays.

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  101. Dan Says:
    101

    After you signup you need to opt-in to the 3-in-one credit bureau to see your complete report.

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  102. e Says:
    102

    I recently had a problem with a PRG card not getting the bonus. They said I was not eligible bc I had gotten the bonus within a year. Do you think it will just post automatically within the 8 weeks after I hit the spend or should I try calling a rep.

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  103. gpapadop Says:
    103

    To Dan:

    So…for the 2nd set of the same cards: Did you leave spg a/c # off the application? Or did you sign up WITH new spg number? Or you gave your regular spg # and got approved with signing bonus again?

    Pls lay it all out, thanks:-)

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  104. Yakov Says:
    104

    Dan: how do you get hsa expenses on a credit card? I use chases hsa and was only given a debit card.

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  105. Joe Says:
    105

    AMEX told me that they have a limit of 4 credit cards (not including charge cards.) Is that only due to my income? The CSR made it seem like a general policy, yet I see you have more. Or are they under other SSN’s?

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  106. David Says:
    106

    Dan how do you get to have both the Sapphire Preferred World Mastercard and the Visa ? I have applied last month forthe world mastercard and i already have the visa sapphire they sent me letter to call them and asked why i want a sapphire card since i ahve one already they told me i cannot have 2 sapphire cards.

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  107. Dan Says:
    107

    @e:
    Spend and wait.

    @gpapadop:
    Blank and merged.

    @Yakov:
    You can put HSA expenses on any card you want. But it’s good to have a dedicated card.

    @Joe:
    These are all under my SSN, so that’s not a real rule.

    @David:
    You need to do a good job explaining why you need a MC and Visa.
    Either way you can keep applying for the other Sapphire and get the bonus again by having them approve it by closing your existing Sapphire card.

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  108. Sruli Says:
    108

    when signing up for multiple delta cards wirh a blank # when u merge the accts later do the mqm tranafer as well?href=”http://dansdeals.com/archives/23754/comment-page-1#comment-154637″>Dan: @Dan: @Dan:

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  109. Jared Says:
    109

    Dan, I’m in NY, so Chase and Citi (and AMEX, but my question’s about Chase/Citi) all pull EX. If I freeze EX, will it still work to apply for several cards from each issuer on the same day? Or will the fact that EX is freezed mess something up somehow?

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  110. yaakov Says:
    110

    @Dan: I already got the card I wanted to know by when do I have to spend the 5000$?

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  111. Jacob Says:
    111

    dan, why don’t I have the same success? they don’t want to give me points for cards iahve had within the pat 12 months?

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  112. David Says:
    112

    Dan, unfortunately there is nothing i can do now since 30 days have passed they say i need to apply again if i want the sappphire MC then maybe if they approve me then maybe close out the old visa, But the question now is i got already approoved for 2 other Chase cards in the past month how long do i need to wait before i apply and ask Chase for another card?

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  113. Cindy Says:
    113

    I applied for SPG a few weeks after canceling my old spg card, I did not put in any SPG # yet my new card is associated with my existing spg number. I did not receive any point for the new card–anything to do abt it now? What did I do wrong?

    one other question please, do you apply for a duplicate card and then close the original to get it approved?! Apply for a 2nd sapphire and close the first to get it approved?! How do you explain that on the phone?! What’s the chances of getting the bonus if you have one existing at time of application

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  114. Arie Says:
    114

    Getting approved for all these cards is great
    Getting the points may or may not be considering the impact of all those cards on one’s credit score when trying to buy a car or refinance your mortgage.
    There is a fine balance between “total credit available & total credit utilized” at certain levels it improves your score – but too often it gets out of whack with a major negative.

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  115. Dave Says:
    115

    I want to cancel an amex business gold to save the annual fee, can I apply for another amex bus gold first (can do another business name) and then merge my points onto the new account so I won’t lose my points when I cancel card #1? What’s the likely hood of approval for the 2nd amex gold if I have one open–can that affect my approval?

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  116. boruch Says:
    116

    i did 3bm with chase about 2 months ago is it to early to try 3bm or 4bm with amex (im in NY)
    if its fine what amex cards do you recommend besides 2 spg

    thanks

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  117. ELI Says:
    117

    The 2 links above for the Chase Sapphire Visa and Chase Sapphire World Mastercard seem to be identical with no differentiation as too which card it is you are applying for .

    Are the links the same ?

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  118. Dan Says:
    118

    @Sruli:
    Been there, done that.

    @Jared:
    It can make it trickier, but it has worked for some for Chase.

    @yaakov:
    6 months.

    @David:
    There is no waiting period.

    @Arie:
    As long as you can explain what you’re doing and you’re keeping care to play the game right it won’t make a difference.
    Been there, done that.

    @Dave:
    Yes.

    @boruch:
    YMMV.
    Premier gold, plat, etc.

    @ELI:
    No, one gets you a WMC and the other a Visa. It’s embedded in the app,

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  119. hi dan Says:
    119

    hi dan thanks for all this sharings
    which card is the best to open now for getting most points
    i need to spend a few 1000$ and want the best offer
    thanks

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  120. Jersey Guy Says:
    120

    @Dan – YOU ROCK MAN! In post 26 you say that to apply for a second Sapphire card you should “Just call recon and explain why you need both” What reason do I give? For what reason would someone need two of the same personal card?

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  121. Jersey Guy Says:
    121

    @Dan – Please can you set up a glossary? All the acronyms are confusing. I tried searching for some and they don’t come up.

    For 5BM, what five B’s do you use? I know about IE, FF and Chr. Are there others?

    In post #67 you said “Try to get the credit bureaus to delete the cards from your record as they don’t exist.” Can you please elaborate? I had a late pmt on a cap one card I later closed. Can I get that removed somehow?

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  122. Chana Says:
    122

    Hi Dan,
    Back in August I singed up for a second SPG card (without giving my SPG number) and was approved. It has been two months and I have not yet received the 10,000 bonus points after my first purchase. How ling should it take? Should I call AmEx? What should I tell them?
    Thanks

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  123. Charles Says:
    123

    This is gret stuff… But how the heck are you making the spend? You must be pushing 60k a year on just bonus spending

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  124. Sara Says:
    124

    Surprised that you don’t have the Freedom card on your list. It’s great for the munimeter.

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  125. miles Says:
    125

    Dan do u have all the elite stays and elite nights in one spg account

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  126. Dan Says:
    126

    @hi dan:
    Starwood, Freedom, and Sapphire are all great.

    @Jersey Guy:
    Visa and MC.
    Sams only takes MC. Dollar stores only take Visa.

    @Jersey Guy:
    Read the post to see how I did the 4bm.
    You can have them remove incorrect records, not correct records.

    @Chana:
    Perhaps try spending the full $5K like I did.

    @Charles:
    Be creative.

    @Sara:
    It is there.

    @miles:
    Yes.

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  127. miles Says:
    127

    https://www262.americanexpress.com/apisites/microsite/landingpage/95-1000-171
    In terms (#5) its says u can’t get from 2 cards

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  128. Dan Says:
    128

    @miles:
    That’s nice.
    Proves why I rarely read terms.

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  129. shawn Says:
    129

    Thank Dan,

    If you do not ahve a business tax ID, does this work with just your socialsecurity # or is AMEX different then Chase?

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  130. sruly Says:
    130

    hi dan! 1.can i apply for a personal and business in a 2BM by chase (sapphire, ink plus)
    2. can i make a 2BM of sapphire visa and sapphie WMC?

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  131. a gast Says:
    131

    you list -Ink Bold Business (with Chase Exclusives linked) I have a ink plus & I caaled them up to have Chase Exclusives linked & they say there is no such a thing, is the ink bold different?

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  132. Brian Says:
    132

    @a gast – As far as I know, Chase Ink doesn’t participate in the Chase Exclusives program. Only the Freedom

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  133. Anonymous Says:
    133

    How do you get the points to post so fast?

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  134. chiam Says:
    134

    Hi Dan,

    I love your deals. However, unless I’m missing something: eventhough I might be able to get 3 or 4 hits for a card and get 100,000+ miles because the system technically lets me or it might accept my application within 12 months of me last having the card, AMEX or whichever company, clearly does not want me to have 4 of the same card even if I could do it. Can you explain why they actually are ok with me doing this besides technically I can therefore I will. Eventhough I love miles and love your other ideas I wouldn’t want to do something that is even somewhat dishonest. Looking forward to your response.

    Thanks.

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  135. Dan Says:
    135

    @shawn:
    It works with your SSN.

    @Brian:
    It used to.

    @Anonymous:
    They posted when I spent the requirement.

    @chiam:
    I have 4 Starwood cards and they didn’t ask why, but why do you need to get 4 of the same card? Get 4 different cards.

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  136. JayB Says:
    136

    Hiya Dan. I have been trying for ages to do 2BM’s and 3BM’s and just now 4BM’s, but it has never worked. Despite clearing my cookies from all browsers (heck its the first time I have even used Chrome since the install) I get the following message after submitting the whole application:
    Currently, our systems are not responding. Please try again later or call us at 1-800-519-OPEN (6736) to apply for a Card. We apologize for any inconvenience. This happens no matter what time of day or night I try. Just unlucky? Or doing something wrong?
    For reference, was applying for Amex Business Gold, Amex Business Delta Gold, Amex Business Starwood.
    Thanks!
    JB

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  137. margaret Says:
    137

    dan, for the new cards, did you just start a new spg number and then when the points posted is that when you merged the accounts? I am having a difficult time to get them to post my points and I have met the spend.

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  138. EliK770 Says:
    138

    Dan, any reason you don’t have two Chase Freedom cards (VISA and MC) and if not, is it possible to get both?

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  139. Dan Says:
    139

    @JayB:
    They had technical issues yesterday.

    @margaret:
    I left it blank and then merged the created account.

    @EliK770:
    My wife has one as well, don’t really need more than that. It is possible though to have both.

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  140. JayB Says:
    140

    Re error message: I got the same message today 10/24 on both Firefox and Chrome, and only IE went through – defeated the whole purpose of the 3 BM

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  141. YM Says:
    141

    I signed up for a second SPG and did not even receive the 10k signup bonus. When I sent them an email they said it is only if you did not have the product in the past 12 months. Any suggestions?

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  142. Rado Says:
    142

    The only way to apply for AMEX business card is IE… Confirmed 11/13. The 3BM or 4BM will not work if you apply for several business cards via Safari, Chrome, Firefox or Opera…

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  143. AB Says:
    143

    Hi Dan –

    I tried a 3BM six months ago for 3 chase cards and was only approved for one – Sapphire Preferred. Chase claimed they needed more records of payment history before committing to more cards. Fast forward to today and I would like to try again but not sure which cards to apply for. Was thinking about the freedom card, ink classic or bold, and the starwood preferred guest. For a #BM do they all need to be from the same bank? Thanks.

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  144. MENDY Says:
    144

    Dan,
    How come you don’t have any Capital One cards?
    Mendy

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  145. gomike Says:
    145

    Once you merge the account does Amex get automatically notified of the new account number so points credit properly?

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  146. BOBERT Says:
    146

    Hey Dan I have a question if you could answer for me. I want the Chase Sapphire Preferred and the Chase Ink Classic card and was wondering if its possible to get both using 2BM method with one credit hard inquiry pull? Or will it be two pulls since one is Consumer and other is business? PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANKS! YOUR SITE IS AWESOME!

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  147. shmaiss Says:
    147

    Hi Dan,
    Great site with wonderful updates. I get your twitter updates too. Highly recommended!

    I did the 4BM a few weeks ago. 2 Consumer and 2 Business. Got the Business approved right away. THey denied both consumers saying my income to debt ratio was too low. Tried reconsideration and HUCA a few times, trying to move debt from one card to another. 5 different agents said no can do. Finally increased my income level and an agent called me back saying they can only issue a max of 4 cards and that was the problem. That includes business cards. I had to close one Starwoods (the one that was generating a fee this month for the first time).
    Can you weigh in on this? Ever heard of it? How did you get around it?
    Thanks!!
    GS

    PS I’m also in Ohio :)

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  148. E Says:
    148

    I don’t think you’ve mentioned this yet, but for the 2nd SPG pers or bus cards, did you use a different address than your original SPG account on the app?

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  149. E Says:
    149

    Out or curiosity, did you get all 10 stay credits for 2013 as well?

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  150. Moshe Says:
    150

    Dan, If i do a 2BM for SPG and British will that be one pull or do they report to different bureaus

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  151. Jeff Says:
    151

    As for freezing Experian and applying for Chase card in NJ . I did it and they sent letter saying they would either need an access code or we need to cancel the freeze for them to consider it . Anyone else have this experience ?

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